Colorado man sues after explosion

[Roxxette]

Thundercats situation would not of occured if he new which batts were proper. If there was a leaflet in the APV when he opened it he would of avoided this situation.

Yes i understand but what im trying to say is that even the proper batts will get angry either for bad use or bad batch or other reason , thats a "risk" everyone needs to accept using these devices even the smaller cig look because in the end whe cant control everything.

Regarding thundercat im curious about how the buzz hold the explosion if there was one.


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[bombshellECHO]

Because the APV is not at fault in this situation. The picture posted could be very easily used in an unfavorable way. If Mike would want the APV for testing purposes, I would not have a problem with that. I will NOT post pictures of a scorched APV in an open area of a public forum.

I'm not asking to see the batteries I never said the apv was at fault I want to see pics so I know if my aunts happened to do the same thing if there's anything I can do to help save her face? Fair enough? Don't want to help save someone else's life? Then I call BS on your story.

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[bombshellECHO]

Because the APV is not at fault in this situation. The picture posted could be very easily used in an unfavorable way. If Mike would want the APV for testing purposes, I would not have a problem with that. I will NOT post pictures of a scorched APV in an open area of a public forum.

Actually Ill do you one better since you don't want to post one send a pic to buzzkill and have him confirm it how about that? Sounds fair enough

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[four2109]

We need to educate about battery safety first. Anyone can buy batteries, anyone can buy or make a tube mod and pop batteries in them. Problem is no one using a tube mod should "think" it is ok to go buy non rechargeable batteries and stack them in a tube mod not vented properly. But we do have people that do that because they are not told not to do that. As an industry, even tho it is mostly cottage, we have a responsibility to educate our friends and family who might go out and buy the wrong batt just because it is cheaper and end up frying their APV or themselves. We have to at least educate against that. All batts can fail, BUT some batts are a 100% (non rechargeable unprotected) fail in the wrong set up. It will go boom! We do not want that to ever happen again.
To me it is like warning people to never talk on a cell phone while plugged into a wall charger because it can explode and kill you. It did happen and people still use cell phones, but best to do it safely. We just want safety warnings. bnrk

I did that. Didn't know about it until I took my phone to Verizon because it wasn't holding a charge. This was probably my first Lithium device other than button cells.
"Do you use your phone while it on the charger?" She showed me how puffy the battery was. That thing came with 4 books of a combined several hundred pages and believe it or not I read most of them. I always look for the "There is no evidence that these cause brain tumors but always keep it at least 1/2 inch away from your body" statement.
Lithium batteries are still relatively new to the consumer marketplace. Other than ecigs, RC cars, flashlights, and I guess RC aircraft, most applications come with safe handling instructions and warnings in addition to proprietary batteries and safety features built into the devices.
GM just had a major explosion with injuries while "extreme" testing lithium batteries.
Robot Vacuums are marketed to use while you are away from home and re-dock themselves to charge. They have started house fires.
Power tools have been moving to lithium. Consumers charge their tools at night and their shops have caught fire.
I don't know what's in my toothbrush....
Major manufacturers take precautions, provide warnings, and investigate and settle when something does go wrong.
Modern technology moves so fast that few consumers don't understand how things work anymore.
The problem is, they don't expect to have to, and sellers don't want them to know they should!

 

[BuzzKill]

OK lets all chill here , it is MY ... on the line ! , I will ask Thundercats to send me the unit to evaluate , IMO the fact the the unit retained its form is good BUT I need to see it first .

So I will PM Thundercats to get the unit in question to evaluate what happened to it , this is exactly what is needed , we need to know what WORKS and what does NOT work !

At that point I will decide whether or not to post pix cool ???

I have to admit when the work LAWYER popped up at that point I felt it was best to NOT contact Thundercats !! now that I know WHY a lawyer was enlisted it is a different ballgame.

Also I got a notice about posting that we do provide battery info and a manual , IF that is considered talking about my business in this case then the MODS need to consider the situation that has arisen here , this is something that NEEDS to be explored and evaluated for ALL MOD MAKERS not just US. After all Our first consideration is the consumer.

 

[bombshellECHO]

OK lets all chill here , it is MY ... on the line ! , I will ask Thundercats to send me the unit to evaluate , IMO the fact the the unit retained its form is good BUT I need to see it first .

So I will PM Thundercats to get the unit in question to evaluate what happened to it , this is exactly what is needed , we need to know what WORKS and what does NOT work !

At that point I will decide whether or not to post pix cool ???

I have to admit when the work LAWYER popped up at that point I felt it was best to NOT contact Thundercats !! now that I know WHY a lawyer was enlisted it is a different ballgame.

Also I got a notice about posting that we do provide battery info and a manual , IF that is considered talking about my business in this case then the MODS need to consider the situation that has arisen here , this is something that NEEDS to be explored and evaluated for ALL MOD MAKERS not just US. After all Our first consideration is the consumer.

That's pretty much all we wanted is to make sure this is a real claim and not some guy trying to stir up some trouble. Even if you feel it is not necessary to post a pic of the mod. If you could atleast confirm the story that would be aswesome.

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[BuzzKill]

That's pretty much all we wanted is to make sure this is a real claim and not some guy trying to stir up some trouble. Even if you feel it is not necessary to post a pic of the mod. If you could atleast confirm the story that would be aswesome.

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If he decides to send it to me I will evaluate it with my machinist and some metals people that have very in depth metals knowledge to get some REAL info about this cases.

 

[bnrkwest]

If he decides to send it to me I will evaluate it with my machinist and some metals people that have very in depth metals knowledge to get some REAL info about this cases.

That would be awesome. Basically all of us want to learn, what actually happens when batteries melt down, what does it do to the unit. As consumers we also want to know what is the best thing to do with battery failure, somehow get the end cap off or do we drop it and run? I know these batteries can be little bombs, this is the nature of these batteries so we all need to learn from these mishaps even it was from batteries being the wrong type. I am sure others will buy the wrong type until we have some sort of across the board battery education and warnings. These things will continue to happen sadly. bnrk

 

[Petrodus]

Lost in many discussions is the voice of the consumer

Forget about all those who are not members of an
e-cig Internet discussion group that decide a MOD
might be a great idea for their first PV ...
which is an interesting scenario

My brother (who is not an ECF member) has been vaping for
years and we both moved up the ladder at the same time starting
with the 510 and both of us are now satisfied with the eGo.

He called me excited the other day and said he ran into an
E-cigarette website offering "The Ultimate Electronic Cigarette"
and read the limited information and decided he wanted to test
drive "The Cadillac of all e-cigs". He wanted to know if I wanted
one also because he would order 2 and have 1 sent to me.
(I bought his 1st PV)

We talked ... He was Shocked at what should be known before
moving into the APV world.

 

[BuzzKill]

That would be awesome. Basically all of us want to learn, what actually happens when batteries melt down, what does it do to the unit. As consumers we also want to know what is the best thing to do with battery failure, somehow get the end cap off or do we drop it and run? I know these batteries can be little bombs, this is the nature of these batteries so we all need to learn from these mishaps even it was from batteries being the wrong type. I am sure others will buy the wrong type until we have some sort of across the board battery education and warnings. These things will continue to happen sadly. bnrk

We do everything we can to inform and educate people by sending the proper info with each unit but we cannot protect them from bad quality or mishandling of batteries that can be put in the unit .

 

[retird]

Consider this suggestion......Produce a PV (with protection features) with the properly rated batteries installed (not user replacable). Provide USB charging port built in and the proper USB charger. Include operating instructions with the PV.

These "incidents" are occuring more frequently, and none of us want to see anyone hurt. We should reduce the risk wherever possible.

 

[LordDavon]

Consider this suggestion......Produce a PV (with protection features) with the properly rated batteries installed (not user replacable). Provide USB charging port built in and the proper USB charger. Include operating instructions with the PV.

These "incidents" are occuring more frequently, and none of us want to see anyone hurt. We should reduce the risk wherever possible.

Hey retird. I like the suggestion, but think that the batteries should at least be more of a "user replaceable" option at least. Take my VVPV, for instance. It came with 2 protected 14500 batteries. Once installed, you only need to replace them when they get older, and don't handle the charge. It has a built in charger port, so you never need to remove them for charging. It really is a great idea.

 

[four2109]

Consider this suggestion......Produce a PV (with protection features) with the properly rated batteries installed (not user replacable). Provide USB charging port built in and the proper USB charger. Include operating instructions with the PV.

These "incidents" are occuring more frequently, and none of us want to see anyone hurt. We should reduce the risk wherever possible.

Didn't the Chinese already do that with the EGO styles?

I tend to wonder how much atomizer variations overdraining batteries has to do with these incidents. Even if you really do know which one to use, and many don't, they get mixed up. I've seen suppliers admit errors in posting and labeling.

 

[LordDavon]

Didn't the Chinese already do that with the EGO styles?

I tend to wonder how much atomizer variations overdraining batteries has to do with these incidents. Even if you really do know which one to use, and many don't, they get mixed up. I've seen suppliers admit errors in posting and labeling.

Oh, I am sure that there is an ohm factor involved. Someone pops a 1.5ohm atomizer on a stacked battery mod, and that top battery is screaming for help. That's why I keep talking about ohm safety.

APVs with voltage adjustment are safer, since they control the voltage going to the atomizer, but standard batteries can't really handle this well.

This is, of course, just my opinion.

 

[four2109]

Oh, I am sure that there is an ohm factor involved. Someone pops a 1.5ohm atomizer on a stacked battery mod, and that top battery is screaming for help. That's why I keep talking about ohm safety.

APVs with voltage adjustment are safer, since they control the voltage going to the atomizer, but standard batteries can't really handle this well.

This is, of course, just my opinion.

I agree with you, if the user knows what they are doing.
I think I read that there is a mod that detects the atomizer ohms. Great idea! But I think I also read that dual coils confuse it. Not sure if that means it shuts down...
That might be what has to happen, a "smart mod", at least for people that don't want to or can't understand and constantly monitor volts, watts, ohms, C's....
I'm still trying to figure out how I got decent vapor from minis or 3.7V mods when all the atomizers were 3.4 ohms.
I didn't follow the whole resistance craze, or dual coils and I don't care to. It seems that is when the problems started.
I followed the modders forum for a long time, and the only batt failures before the low resistance and dual coil came along, were due to unprotected stacked batteries.

 

[bnrkwest]

I was also reading about the danger of draining the LiIons below 3 V that is degrades the battery. So how can anyone tell what their batt is drained to in a regular tube mod with no read out? Is this common knowledge to everyone? I had to read it on a battery site. bnrk

 

[Str8V8ping]

I was also reading about the danger of draining the LiIons below 3 V that is degrades the battery. So how can anyone tell what their batt is drained to in a regular tube mod with no read out? Is this common knowledge to everyone? I had to read it on a battery site. bnrk

Battery Protection will usually kick in at 2.7v on protected batterys . Draining them below 3v however can reduce the life of the cell but not really by any noticeable amount . IMR batterys dont have a protection circuit and wont stop draining .Iv done testing with one IMR cell and brought it down to 2.5v multiple times . Withing the hour they will bounce back up to 2.7-2.8 all by themselves . The cell is still running like new though 4 months later being used everyday so cells can really handle more then they are made out to be here. Not saying to do it but iv abused cells over and over without and degradation .To test the cells voltage use a multimeter. You can even find super cheap DMM's at harbor freight. If using quality cells correctly theres a very slim chance something will go wrong .99.9% of the time iv seen stories of cells failing it was due to misuse. Also it is super rare for a cell to actually explode .99% of the time they will just vent and not explode. Thats just what iv experienced in my 7 years of using li-ion cells. ANother opinion i have though is to use only AW or Panasonic cells . In all my years these cells have the best track record. Trustfires,ultrafires,surefires,smartfires are all cheap cells and have a higher chance of failure then the AW's and panasonics. I dont even understand why people use them anymore since AW IMR's and callies are so cheap as is.

 

[bnrkwest]

I wonder why safe handling includes do not drain below 3v tho, says nothing about loosing life of batt, but a safety thing. I just had a new (week used) AW IMR that came off charger warmer than it should and charger was warmer too, the end of batt was discolored, so even good batts do weird things. I am returning it. bnrk

 

[Martö]

I'm kind of mixed yea the dude screwed up with batteries but then the mod failed to vent properly.

Then on the other hand it's not UL rated.

They are going in the line of false advertising as well.

I'm not even going to get started on the failure to warn part. I mean really if your that ... stupid to not read directions your S.O.L. Lawyers and they fail to warn let me tell you something WARNING ANYTHING YOU DO CAN HURT YOU>>> DUH.... we don't need ... labels all over the ... WORLD....

 

[DC2]

Battery Protection will usually kick in at 2.7v on protected batterys . Draining them below 3v however can reduce the life of the cell but not really by any noticeable amount . IMR batterys dont have a protection circuit and wont stop draining .Iv done testing with one IMR cell and brought it down to 2.5v multiple times . Withing the hour they will bounce back up to 2.7-2.8 all by themselves . The cell is still running like new though 4 months later being used everyday so cells can really handle more then they are made out to be here. Not saying to do it but iv abused cells over and over without and degradation .To test the cells voltage use a multimeter. You can even find super cheap DMM's at harbor freight. If using quality cells correctly theres a very slim chance something will go wrong .99.9% of the time iv seen stories of cells failing it was due to misuse. Also it is super rare for a cell to actually explode .99% of the time they will just vent and not explode. Thats just what iv experienced in my 7 years of using li-ion cells. ANother opinion i have though is to use only AW or Panasonic cells . In all my years these cells have the best track record. Trustfires,ultrafires,surefires,smartfires are all cheap cells and have a higher chance of failure then the AW's and panasonics. I dont even understand why people use them anymore since AW IMR's and callies are so cheap as is.

I have to wonder if they could squeeze all of this into a single night school class...