Comparing the Darwin to the Provari - first impressions

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I'd like to take a moment and remind everyone that we all get attached to our PVs and can get a little overzealous about our opinions regarding them. So as the discussion continues, please bear that in mind.

 

[Rob0506]

ya i had issues with that, id have to turn the knob a few times to get it to activate, eventually it wouldnt turn on at all, had to send it in for warrenty, and one time it was spinning 360 degrees id have t remeber what directin it was turned in so that the wires inside wouldnt twist....oh Yeah, They soldered wires onto that knob, you never solder wires to moving parts, its hack, i was hoping that when that knob turns it somehow made a solid contact to the switch, no, theres wires solders to it, and turning the knob pushes a tiny peice of a plastic, that pushes a spring that pushing into another peice of plastic into a button that turns the unit on, what is that? yes one of my units this configuration of lego-like peices came apart and the unit wouldnt turn on....

This is wrong wrong wrong! You've been really unreasonable about slamming the Darwin, it's kind of weird. When we all tried to help you you just turned on us and told us that it was a POS and wouldn't describe the problems you were having, so it really showed you as a troll. Then you offered to sell your broken Darwin, but got ...... off when people asked for more information on what was wrong with it.

There is no plastic piece pushing into a button. No plastic piece at all, so why would you make that up?
For the record, I love my Darwin, it has performed flawlessly for me. I haven't tried the Provari but I think it looks like a wonderful mod and I may get one at some point. To me, the Darwin is a perfect dripping mod and the Provari is perfect for tanks. There are fit and finish issues with the Darwin, and I have heard enough reports of hard to press buttons to know that this is a legitimate issue (Evolv is also aware, so hopefully they have figured this out). My button presses vary nicely, and I think most do.

Also, there is a difference between VV and VP. If you know what power level you like for a certain juice it shouldn''t make much difference if you change attys, you know right where to set it. Now, suppose you just want to tweak it to taste. In that case the Darwin is still better because it is easier and faster to adjust on the fly. Just my .02

 

[XKingXGregX]

Sure if it works reliably. The.peices of plastic are when u turn the knob its hack. When people knock my credibility I say thats besides the point it doesnt mean the darwin isnt a turd with a button drew offered me a refund because he wanted to pay me to stop telling everyone what a failire the darwin is someone ask him or brandon how many repairs hes had to make probably atleast 1 repair for every 2 or three people. By the time your two year warrenty is up you might have to send yours in. sorry but its the truth. I just remember telling myself after getting it back thinking gee I wonder how long its going to be before I have send it in again...someone said how partial ppl r to their pv well im telling u this as a friend who was on the darwin side of the fence im not trolling im being honest about my experience with the darwin and to recommend more reliable less expensive pvs I tell people all the time on here to save their money and pick up a 5 volt box mod I like my provari ya maybe its a close call which is better but provari wins because its reliable I love my reo grand because its reliable. I used to think the darwin was vaping heaven then it stopped working u can only send something in for repairs just so many times before u realize its junk.

 

[Rob0506]

I understand you've had a bad experience with it, I just want to know where this piece of plastic is. Are you talking about the arm where the atty connects?

 

[Rob0506]

Also, you posted inflamatory stuff in a vendor thread. You weren't looking for tech support. This wan't a review thread, so you weren't warning anyone off of it there, you were just stirring the pot. Drew said nothing for a long long time. Then, he offered to refund your money IF the darwin was not stolen. I doubt he thought it would "shut you up" as you say, he just suspected based on your posts (and possibly other information) that you had a repair return that was never returned.

These are highly sought after in the classys, send it in and get a refund or get it fixed and sell it. If you don't like it you can easily recoup most if your investment.

 

[XKingXGregX]

Thats all besides the point doesnt change the fact that the unit is wack.yes when u turn the knob it pushes a tiny peice of plastic into a spring that pushes another peice of plastic into a button that turns the screen on I was hopingturning the knob did something like make a simple contact but its a contraption knobs got wires soldered to it which is hack and everyones usb ports are becoming loose and units wont charge anymore I see it gets put up on a pedistal cuz its variable wattage let me tell u a secret. All vv units will change wattage. the only thing the darwin does is give a reading on it. Its a built in meter. A buzz pro or I pro from notcigs do the same regulating but with no screen I like them more u dont need a reading to find your sweetspot a vapor should be able to find the right hit with their eyes closed the.darwin is an amateur mod.

 

[Rob0506]

I've found some other posts about a plastic piece at the atty arm that pushes into a micro switch. I have not seen this version of the Darwin, the newer ones do NOT use this method, and they haven't for some time. They must have had too many issues with it. Mine is about 3 months old now and there is no moving part between the swing arm and the circuit board. I think it's some kind of magnetic thing, anyway much more reliable.

My thinking, the Provari is a beautiful mod. It has great fit and finish, but isn't really pushing the envelope at all. The Darwin is different in ergonomics and technology, and first adopters need to be ready for some pain even if there is a high price tag (that goes for all areas of technology, not just with PVs). Luckily they stand behind their product with fantastic customer service to compensate and I think they have the bugs worked out. The only real negative thing I can say about the darwin is that fit and finish are lacking (tool marks on the machining, etc). It's not a huge deal to me, but I can see that it would be for others.

In the end the Provari is more expensive when you factor in a few batteries and charger (even more so for me as I live in WA so I have to pay sales tax), but they are pretty close.

 

[XKingXGregX]

I think I spent 180 on my provari and two batterties eventually ill get the extention cap and some of the 3000 mah batteries its worth it people at work seen me with a darwin and were like whats that the first pv ever made darwin is crap wait till your warrenty is up and it hits the bed ull see experienced vapors just find the right atomizer resistance and fixed voltage of 5 or 6 volts or even 3.7 and a lr atty and find their sweetspot with a reliable mod

 

[XKingXGregX]

Three months old. Itll die soon. Watch. Wont last much longer

 

[Str8V8ping]

Greg i think your missing the point . All juices work better at different wattages .If i go to vape a juice again i can go directly to the right wattage . WHy would i want to buy a 5v box mod and not be able to change it . Also variable power is awesome and not BS. I dont want to put on a LR carto and have to vape it 4v or i get a error . I would like to be able the up the voltage/wattage regardless . I vape some juices at 15+ watts . I think some of your problem have to be user error or a defective unit to bash it so bad . I have only read things about the darwin here on ecf and the majority love it and all say its the best performing vv PV . I will say that im not a big fan of the look or moving arm cosmetically

 

[Digitaltitan]

I have read through all this nonsense, and while it hasnt gained me any usefull information i have learned one thing.

Me and Rob0506 would be friends

Clockwork Orange Avatar.

Little Alex...

And as it may or may not be. I have 4 PV's on my "Must Have List"

Provari, Darwin, a Sweetvapes VV Feeder Grip, And a reo Grand.

Even if one of them turns out to be a steaming pile of ...., it still beats the hell out of smoking.

"Oh no my darwin was going great for a year and crapped out" Who cares it saved you more than 7x its pricetag in Smokes.

and again Rob0506 Great avatar, Great movie.

Lastly, This is a Vaping Forum, not some whiney, Trolley, E-Peen Driven Forum.
I have My game forums for that...

Jesus people..

 

[Rob0506]

Me and Rob0506 would be friends

Don't you mean droogs?

And as it may or may not be. I have 4 PV's on my "Must Have List"
Provari, Darwin, a Sweetvapes VV Feeder Grip, And a reo Grand.

That is a great list, I don't think you would regret buying any of those.

 

[XKingXGregX]

I really want a gg and iatty 2 or just the iatty2

 

[Allan.GH]

...Its hard to find true reviews on the darwin on the nhaler forum drew will edit posts he finds negative so only good things will be seen about the quality of the darwin...

I'll grant you that this is human nature; but, anyone who can't allow honest and open criticism of their product or service worries me quite a bit--particularly when they price them selves in the upper end of the spectrum.

 

[nanovapr]

I don't think there was any honest and open criticism involved.

 

[Rob0506]

I have seen some posts on there that are critical of the Darwin for one reason or another and they were never touched. Many vendors on ECF will delete negative posts, but I haven't seen Drew do that.

Here is an example, suppose someone came onto ECF and posted "You are all going to die of cancer from Nicotine!"
We would all sharpen up our pitchforks and start lighting torches! There are no facts or useful criticisms there, just off the wall judgement and nothing to back it up.

So after putting up with posts like this for awhile, Drew said something. I don't know if he eventually deleted any posts, but many vendors would have deleted them immediately.

Another point, if you are looking for impartial reviews don't go to the vendors thread. That's not what it is for. It is for people to provide tech support and basically be fan-bois or girls. There are review threads on ECF for that. It drives me crazy to hear people say things like "you can't get an honest review from them, they are all fanbois" when they are looking in a vendor thread.

 

[XKingXGregX]

i think a lot of people get nervious hearing that their favorite pv may have a short life span im sure a lot of people wish they'll have a working pv that'll last them till their old and grey, i remember receiving my first ego kit thinking this is all im ever gonna need, my first ego battery went haywire 2 days after i got it

 

[Vchick]

[FONT=comic sans I am thinking of sending the Darwin in for them to check it out now that I have the Provari.
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Yes, please contact Brandon at Evolv, they have excellent customer service and they will make it right for you.

 

[Huffelpuff]

Ok. I just got a Darwin from the classies. Had to sell one of my beloved ProVaris to get the money. I feel like I just bought a Mac and a Windows PC - can't wait to see if I like the Darwin better than the ProVari - am hoping that I love them both. I'm hoping that Darwin's service is as solid as ProVari. I love the ProVari but had the need to branch out and try something different. Couldn't see the logic in keeping two of the same Pros when I've not tried anything else vv yet.

Anyway, I look forward to doing the whole "Pepsi/Coke" thing and will weigh in.

 

[XKingXGregX]

Like I been saying the darwin vapes great youll lovE it but eventually its gonna start breaking down and stop working