Haha! I actually own a couple of Segways! (And I'm a (late) middle-aged techie!) I can't wait till my eGo-T's arrive, I'll have to vape while gliding and look doubly nerdy!
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Concerns about vaping luring non-smokers to try it.
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Haha! I actually own a couple of Segways! (And I'm a (late) middle-aged techie!) I can't wait till my eGo-T's arrive, I'll have to vape while gliding and look doubly nerdy!
Cheers
If you're 18+ and have a sound enough mind to perform any daily task that is required by todays society--such as voting, driving a car, going to college, employment, and all of the other responsibilities like fighting for your country in the military, then you have a sound enough mind to research the health concerns involved in ingesting nicotine and make an informed decision. People are not infants, and our government persists that we must be treated as such by attempting to control our decision making. The more we let the government make decisions for us rather than making those decisions ourselves as adults with minds of our own, the more control they will have over us and our ability to actively make those decisions.
The OP acts as if people are not capable of making informed decisions, or even uninformed ones if they so choose, as long as they are of age. Nicotine chewing gum also comes in a variety of colors and flavors, yet you didn't mention that in your post.
Sorry, I just think it's all ridiculous.
The OP acts as if people are not capable of making informed decisions, or even uninformed ones if they so choose, as long as they are of age. Nicotine chewing gum also comes in a variety of colors and flavors, yet you didn't mention that in your post.
Sorry, I just think it's all ridiculous.
When non-smoking newbies come here wanting advice on how to get started, I tell them not to. I don't even recommend it with using 0 nic juice. I know there's a chance that they may not listen and that choice is theirs. I didn't take up vaping so I could quit smoking. I just wanted something I could use in the house instead having to contend with bad weather. Hell, I didn't even think that vaping would get me to quit smoking, but that's what happened, and to be quite honest I'm glad that it happened. This has turned into a life saver for me because I spent YEARS in denial about what smoking was actually doing to me.
This is just me, but I will not recommend vaping to anyone who isn't already a smoker. Period.
This is just me, but I will not recommend vaping to anyone who isn't already a smoker. Period.
Hideto, I am sorry I have read your post a few times and still cannot find your point. If your trying to say that even though you are an adult that I am somehow responsible for your choices you are sadly wrong. You had stated your Mom smoked and suffered health issues because of it. Isn't it sad that this product was not available to her? The only one I have responsibility for is myself and the choices that I make. My children (who are all in their 20's and do not smoke ) if asked would tell you that they are pleased with their Moms choice that maybe I will be alive to see my grandchildren grow, that they have seen a health benefit and what a wonderful thing that this choice was available. So I ask you again what is your point?
Ok,
As I see it, this is a question of should we discourage non-smokers to pick up vaping. Sort of a moot question. If anyone here thinks that image and glorification has nothing to do with the use of cigarettes, then I would encourage you to do some research. The next thing this leads to is that e-cigs are seemingly very useful in getting smokers to stop or cut back. No matter how you slice that, it's a good thing. How do these ecigs work? Nicotine. Which is only ONE element of the liquid that is in the e-cig. One element. Now to discourage other people from not vaping because its a nicotine replacement is missing the fact that nicotine is only one element of vaping. As others have said, to discrouage from using nicotine is probably a good thing. But we have the same thing with caffiene, sugar, junk foods, etc. Is it really that big of a deal? I think not. Anyone who has had any experience with life, in general, knows that moderation is a key to anything and everything. Everything can be bad in excess. Just be responsible for what you do. No one can make you do anything, and no one can stop you from anything. We are all able to be smart about the things we do with our bodies and guess what....none of us are gonna be perfect about it lol We are all gonna be stupid and do stupid things. Period. Get over it. Think about when you were young and what was important to you. A crayon? Live and enjoy and make a community wherever you go, even if its a community of 2 =)
As I see it, this is a question of should we discourage non-smokers to pick up vaping. Sort of a moot question. If anyone here thinks that image and glorification has nothing to do with the use of cigarettes, then I would encourage you to do some research. The next thing this leads to is that e-cigs are seemingly very useful in getting smokers to stop or cut back. No matter how you slice that, it's a good thing. How do these ecigs work? Nicotine. Which is only ONE element of the liquid that is in the e-cig. One element. Now to discourage other people from not vaping because its a nicotine replacement is missing the fact that nicotine is only one element of vaping. As others have said, to discrouage from using nicotine is probably a good thing. But we have the same thing with caffiene, sugar, junk foods, etc. Is it really that big of a deal? I think not. Anyone who has had any experience with life, in general, knows that moderation is a key to anything and everything. Everything can be bad in excess. Just be responsible for what you do. No one can make you do anything, and no one can stop you from anything. We are all able to be smart about the things we do with our bodies and guess what....none of us are gonna be perfect about it lol We are all gonna be stupid and do stupid things. Period. Get over it. Think about when you were young and what was important to you. A crayon? Live and enjoy and make a community wherever you go, even if its a community of 2 =)
I don't understand where mimicking an addiction would make anyone look cool, regardless of the bling.
An e-cig delivers nicotine to addicts, period. I love my flashlight, but because it delivers nicotine.
Would you get a vodka bottle and fill it with water, to be able to "drink" yourself silly on "vodka" and tonic - w/ slice of lime? But it tastes good, put a little umbrella in it, maybe some food coloring?
How about some lemon juice eye drops, so you look like you just smoked a doobie? Just remember to keep saying "dude" every third word and you're there!
Then drink a half gallon of decaf coffee, to prove your caffeine addiction?
An e-cig delivers nicotine to addicts, period. I love my flashlight, but because it delivers nicotine.
Would you get a vodka bottle and fill it with water, to be able to "drink" yourself silly on "vodka" and tonic - w/ slice of lime? But it tastes good, put a little umbrella in it, maybe some food coloring?
How about some lemon juice eye drops, so you look like you just smoked a doobie? Just remember to keep saying "dude" every third word and you're there!
Then drink a half gallon of decaf coffee, to prove your caffeine addiction?
Absolutely nothing. Anti-vaping posters don't change my mind one iota. But your post will probably get a lot of play on one of the anti-smoking boards.
I had a young couple come into the store I used to work in awhile back. The husband was picking up refills as he was an avid vapor. They mentioned that his wife was interested in vaping as well. I asked my usual question "what do you smoke and how much?" She told me she'd actually quit smoking and has been using lozenges for about a year.
Now..this was a business situation. The point of the store is to make money. However, I told her "no" flat out. I said that, although I do have some ex-smokers who use 0mg e-cigs (usually older ladies that were 50+yr smokers and needed something to do with their hands), I felt that since she was still on nicotine, using an e-cig (even 0mg) would re-establish the hand to mouth action that it had taken her so long to get over.
I did tell her, however, that if she ever got to the point where she was going to buy cigarettes, to come back and I'd set her up with an e-cig. Until that point came, I told her to keep doing what she's doing and try to get off the nicotine altogether. Yes, I lost a sale, but it was the right thing to do in my opinion.
Now for someone who has never smoked? My question is WTF? why??? Despite being less expensive than smoking, it still costs money. It's messy, takes up half the house (once your stash grows) and is still stigmatized like smoking. I can't imagine for the life of me why someone who has never smoked would want to do this.
That being said, if they are determined to do it, I'd rather see them pick up an e-cig than a pack of smokes.
Now..this was a business situation. The point of the store is to make money. However, I told her "no" flat out. I said that, although I do have some ex-smokers who use 0mg e-cigs (usually older ladies that were 50+yr smokers and needed something to do with their hands), I felt that since she was still on nicotine, using an e-cig (even 0mg) would re-establish the hand to mouth action that it had taken her so long to get over.
I did tell her, however, that if she ever got to the point where she was going to buy cigarettes, to come back and I'd set her up with an e-cig. Until that point came, I told her to keep doing what she's doing and try to get off the nicotine altogether. Yes, I lost a sale, but it was the right thing to do in my opinion.
Now for someone who has never smoked? My question is WTF? why??? Despite being less expensive than smoking, it still costs money. It's messy, takes up half the house (once your stash grows) and is still stigmatized like smoking. I can't imagine for the life of me why someone who has never smoked would want to do this.
That being said, if they are determined to do it, I'd rather see them pick up an e-cig than a pack of smokes.
Its human nature. I am not a big drinker. I do like an occasional beer, however I am not a hard liquor drinker. When I go into a big liquor store and see all the pretty bottles, cool labels, yummy sounding things in pretty colors, I do on occasion make a purchase, go home try it out and realize how genius the marketing people are because no it isn't my thing. Sometimes I actually will responsibly enjoy that beverage that I bought out of impulse but it really isn't in my nature to make it a habit and that is that. It is in our nature to try things out of curiosity, with cigs, it was something that is proven to be addictive if one stayed using a long time, the other addictive part is habit. So you tried it out, chances are you'll play with it for a bit and eventually the novelty will wear off and maybe your vaping will cause your GF to try it and get off the cigs for good which might mean it was fate for you to just play around with these things.
I am one of those that believes that e-cigs has no apprechable health effects. I think because the look is associated with smoking cigeretts people are concerned about ecigs. Listen eating a cheesburger and fries is worse than smoking an ecig. I would have no issues with anyone over the age of 18 smoking an ecig. Really the issue is perseption more than anything. I think ecigs can be fun and a fun hobby for just about anyone of age. At the end of the day, If my child was smoking an ecig I would have really no issues with it. I am a concervitive person, and just don't see the issue. Too many other bad things in life to wory about.
If I am understanding you correctly, you are asking those that do vape, to supply you with reasons not to do so.
Why do you think you shouldn't vape?
When I was a smoker, I never encouraged anyone to smoke, if I found out a younger person had recently started I would tell them my experience of becoming so addicted I could not find a way to quit. They already know the health warnings, as they are printed right on the pack of cigarettes, as well as being taught in schools about it's effects. I would hope they they never start, but if they did, and subsequently became addicted, I also didn't judge them.
I don't like the taste of alcohol, but I don't judge others that do, I don't gasp at a party if someone is drinking a beer, and spout off all the dangers of alcoholism. I also drink tea/coffee, but don't give lectures about the effects of caffeine when I see someone have their first caffeine drink. I also can't fathom why anyone would drink an energy drink since I think they taste horrible, but many do...some even mix them with alcohol and put two horrible tasting things together ( can u imagine?) lol.
I don't do any type of illegal drugs, not from a moral standpoint, but because I don't care to not feel in control of my senses, and I can be drug tested at work randomly. As long as people remain responsible I don't judge those that do use them. I don't rely on them to convince me not to, I found my own reasons. Obviously if the substance takes control over their lives to the extent that they can't function, that is a concern, but I'm also aware that this also happens from gambling, or shopping compulsively. So not all self harming behavior comes from the use of drugs, illegal or legal.
I also don't expect my government to "protect" me. I would like to make my own decisions, I do expect the government to make sure we have access to proper info to make decisions. But I am also aware that the government can be influenced by corporate dollars either for, or against and point of view. Its a complicated world we live in, and it can be hard to always make the best choice for ourselves, but even so, my neighbors trying to force me to use, or not use any product is not the answer I am going to rely on.
If you really feel compelled to try something because it has sparkly items , you might want to lok within yourself and find the answers why. We can't find those answers for you, we can only speculate on them. If you are looking to this community to educate you about vaping so you can make an educated decision...then you'll find that here. But the decision is always going ot be yours to make, at least I hope it remains yours to make, and I hope you make the best one for you.
Why do you think you shouldn't vape?
When I was a smoker, I never encouraged anyone to smoke, if I found out a younger person had recently started I would tell them my experience of becoming so addicted I could not find a way to quit. They already know the health warnings, as they are printed right on the pack of cigarettes, as well as being taught in schools about it's effects. I would hope they they never start, but if they did, and subsequently became addicted, I also didn't judge them.
I don't like the taste of alcohol, but I don't judge others that do, I don't gasp at a party if someone is drinking a beer, and spout off all the dangers of alcoholism. I also drink tea/coffee, but don't give lectures about the effects of caffeine when I see someone have their first caffeine drink. I also can't fathom why anyone would drink an energy drink since I think they taste horrible, but many do...some even mix them with alcohol and put two horrible tasting things together ( can u imagine?) lol.
I don't do any type of illegal drugs, not from a moral standpoint, but because I don't care to not feel in control of my senses, and I can be drug tested at work randomly. As long as people remain responsible I don't judge those that do use them. I don't rely on them to convince me not to, I found my own reasons. Obviously if the substance takes control over their lives to the extent that they can't function, that is a concern, but I'm also aware that this also happens from gambling, or shopping compulsively. So not all self harming behavior comes from the use of drugs, illegal or legal.
I also don't expect my government to "protect" me. I would like to make my own decisions, I do expect the government to make sure we have access to proper info to make decisions. But I am also aware that the government can be influenced by corporate dollars either for, or against and point of view. Its a complicated world we live in, and it can be hard to always make the best choice for ourselves, but even so, my neighbors trying to force me to use, or not use any product is not the answer I am going to rely on.
If you really feel compelled to try something because it has sparkly items , you might want to lok within yourself and find the answers why. We can't find those answers for you, we can only speculate on them. If you are looking to this community to educate you about vaping so you can make an educated decision...then you'll find that here. But the decision is always going ot be yours to make, at least I hope it remains yours to make, and I hope you make the best one for you.
it was a good post. And i love your avatar picture so it wasn't a waste.
tyvm
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It was my fault! Sorry!
Reason: I was just reading old threads while killing time waiting for my first order to arrive and saw the reference to "middle aged techies on segways" which describes me to near perfection.
Now, Segway owners are nearly as evangelical as vapers, always wanting to spread the word and/or link up with other like minded souls so I posted just in case any other other Segway owners on here might stumble across it. I didn't really expect that the thread would take off again, it seemed to have been pretty much done to death.
Again, my apologies and I'll be more careful in the future.
(I still think vaping on the Seg might be fun, you get so many stares while gliding. (Gliding is what Segway owners call riding a Segway, you have to have experienced one to know why!!))
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