NO i don't mean hobo style extraction ..stuff i am talking about is exclusive to Alaska
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NO i don't mean hobo style extraction ..stuff i am talking about is exclusive to Alaska
At that point, "where do we go from there", I would hope for some very strong civil disobedience, protests, and maybe even more to keep the injustice in the spotlight.
Another thought that I haven't seen mentioned (or maybe I glossed over it) is we could have the pharmeceutical companies step in if the cost is high for having ejuice approved. That is, we are just talking about the fight with BT, but lets remember that the large drug companies could come in and support some of the "good" ejuice makers. I mean, they are the ones who continue to make the patch, gum, etc...
I wish it were that simple. The problem being, the large pharmaceutical companies are lobbying to have ecigs banned. Think of all the profits that they no longer get when there are no longer smoking illnesses to treat: chemo, COPD, Asthma etc. Not even mentioning the sales in their FDA approved quit smoking devices: the patch, gum and Chantix.
madness, I say, this is all madness! is the August 8th date I keep seeing.. the time they are actually going to act? or do we know when yet?
The problem is that solid nicotine is highly dangerous , I wouldn't want such thing in my house especially when i got my nephews visiting their cool uncle
Is it explosive? If it's just poisonous, that's not a big deal. I'd call it an easily mitigated risk with low chance of troubles relative to the nasty stuff most of us use to clean toilets, paint our homes or kill pests.
Time for a small freezer .... only thing worse than being a smoker when nicotine is scarce and the eJuice taxes take off ... is being a vaper with no juice and the only choice is cigalikes or expensive juice options like Marlboro and Camel.
How much are those little freezers by the way?
You can get a chest freezer for about 160 bucks. Just picturing mine in my head, I wouldn't be surprised if it could hold 25 2 liter bottles.
Sounds like a (black market) business in the making.
You mean in the re-making. When the FDA vs NJOY case was on, we were prepping then, too. Chinese companies would ship to us using package labels using creative descriptions, and packing with little Chinese toys, paper lanterns, etc. In the event of a Customs seizure, they offered re-ships to try again.
I have no doubt that the chinese will continue as normal despite the FDA, and that is what I am hoping we do for ourselves. So what if they tax "mods", "e-juice,liquid" etc. What would stop us from simply calling them "incense" and "personal incense burners". As long as we could still acquire SAFE AND RELIABLE nicotine then we may be able to go on as normal. Would it be a bad idea that small ejuice companies and modders start trying to rebrand themselves in the shadow of eventual heavy taxation and regulation? I think that would work quite well, it has for the new designer drug industry any way. If an 18 year old can go into a gas station and get substances that closely mirror actual scheduled narcotics due to the fact they are sold as "plant food, incense and bath salts" then why on earth should we have problems getting the supplies we need?
This is what you really don't want, big Pharma has always been our enemy. Not to mention I don't really want a 6 or even 7 figure a year chemist making our juice with the company behind them pushing for more dollar signs. Very easy to disguise chemically infused by-products to make e-juice more addictive.
If pfizer and the like get involved I can see some seriously bad stuff being put into our juices, good call Jmarca
tomsa, you need to read more here and be better prepared. Visit the e-liquid section and learn all about how they work.
We Have SEVERAL good SAFE and RELIABLE Nicotine Suppliers in the U.S. like Wizard Labs -
I wonder if there would be regulations on 0mg juice? If not then really the change would be - for me - buying nic pre regulations and add it to the 0mg to make it 6mg?
That could very well be a loophole I think. Thoughts?
That could very well be a loophole I think. Thoughts?
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I'm down to 3mg(from 18mg) and have myself covered until I check out........and probably some left for my eldest son.
Crexess, I am not speaking about currently. I am quite aware there are a plethora of safe and reliable nicotine sources both in the US and overseas. I am referring to the possibility that the FDA makes nicotine much harder or impossible to get. I could see a possible ban on nicotine (not on ecigs as a whole as has already been stated) and that is what I am referencing when talking about "unsafe or bathtub" nicotine. Sorry if I was misunderstood, thank you for your concerns though
Yea, the big pharma doesn't care at all for the juice to being "safe" They just want it either banned or get it labeled as medicine (as they're doing in sweden now. Because "it can be" used for medical therapy. ) They don't care about juice without the nicotine atleast not around here. So that just shows that all they care about is the competition versus their own products which is less good and effective as e juice.
And if they were to controll the market i'm pretty sure they would add atleast a dozens of other chemicals just to get us more hooked on eciggs. Just like they're doing with cigarettes AND gum, Nicorette inhalator. They've even added a super toxic chemical in nicorettes inhalator for no reason at all.
So i can see that they will propably add extra stuff in the e juice aswell. And if the big pharma doesn't do it, the BT will.
They want us hooked to this so they can get more money from us. The goverments goal isn't to let us quit smoking, quite the opposite. They want us to smoke, because they're getting tons of money from us.
But in the end smokers costs alot of more, when including medical care for diseases coming from smoking. So yea...
You missed my point.......
They are an FDA Approved facility. Nic isn't going anywhere. The rules may change and we may need to adjust but it isn't going away.
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