"continuation threads"

[BigBopper]

wrong! lots of us know but prefer to navigate ecf using ''my posts''

I corrected my post.

Regardless, there are going to be a lot of unneccessary posts because of the thread splitting.

I'm not saying your method is wrong, tiburonfirst, but you're going to have to enter a locator post in each part of a thread instead of a single post in a single thread.

Al

 

[rolygate]

Cap'n B -

Belay your warps until the turn o' the tide, Cap'n.

We haven't made any decision about this yet. We might go ahead and fix a couple of things then turn it back on; or we might exempt Supplier forums; or we might just decide it was a bad idea in the first place.

It had to be tried out, is all I can say at this point...

 

[Capt' Brian]

Cap'n B -

Belay your warps until the turn o' the tide, Cap'n.

We haven't made any decision about this yet. We might go ahead and fix a couple of things then turn it back on; or we might exempt Supplier forums; or we might just decide it was a bad idea in the first place.

It had to be tried out, is all I can say at this point...

Arrr, well even so, I believe it is probably time to think about the possibility of considering a new thread anyway .. maybe.

The original info about our mods, while entertaining in a nostalgic way does little to help the new person shopping around, so even if the forum is put back as it was I will probably do it myself anyway.

There's nothing like a shot across your bow to make you reconsider you're course in life, yo ho!

 

[rolygate]

Well, Chris, the membership is usually informed in advance when changes are going to be made to the forum. Unless I missed something and that is probable, we weren't informed of this. Also the person who closed the threads, used the name of "guest", rather than his forum name. That's what I meant by cloak and dagger.

Ah OK. There is no conspiracy Jerry. 'Guest' is the default name of the new part of the thread's OP, used automatically by the forum software. It doesn't seem to have been a good choice

And as for an announcement, there is major stuff happening all the time now, frequently without my knowledge. Some if it has an impact and some doesn't. In order to get a notice up I would have to insist that nobody works on anything without posting a sked and clearing it with me so I can put up a notice. This is not entirely practical just now as we have three people all doing things that affect the forum and often without my knowledge. However, as you say, anything that has a major impact should be announced. We didn't appreciate the impact of this plugin, it's just one out of a dozen that have been installed in the last two or three weeks and there was no reason to think it would have any more effect than any of the others.

Just the way it goes.

 

[fonosmoak]

you enjoy our support rolygate...

Now that we know what the goal was, it makes it a bit easier...

and that you understand our predicament: we're showcasings old product as yesterday's brand new release and being forced to say NO to our responders...

That's not good for anybody, as it just creates disappointment...

I'm the last person who wants to disappoint anyone...

Vaping is about support and sharing the love...

Let's get back to that.

Thanks
fono

Cap'n B -

Belay your warps until the turn o' the tide, Cap'n.

We haven't made any decision about this yet. We might go ahead and fix a couple of things then turn it back on; or we might exempt Supplier forums; or we might just decide it was a bad idea in the first place.

It had to be tried out, is all I can say at this point...

 

[woody55]

Just my 2cents but I have had no load problems till all the social buttons were added and then partially removed. The only time I have page load slowdown is when I am on one of my older notebooks. On my main notebook or my desktop I do not have a loading problem. I have dealt with major forums in past that had threads with millions of post in them and there was no load problems(except for people with older computers or dialup or slow connections. I think some of the load speed complaints are from people with slow connections that don't understand that. I run a 25mb cable connection at home and a 1.5mb dsl connection at work and do not have load speed problems except on older computers. I don't do alot of IT as I am an Electronic Tech by trade and work on other end. Like I said just my 2cents.

 

[rolygate]

@Woody
I basically agree Woody, there are plenty of folks out there many thousands of miles away and even in different countries who get pageloads of 3 seconds no matter what. The basic ECF set-up is very fast and we have enough proof of that. For example our commercial manager consistently gets pageloads of any post page in 2.5 seconds, on any thread, no matter how heavily loaded the forum is, when browsing as a guest; when logged-in the load time is 3 seconds. He's 3,000 miles away in another country. The thing I hate about this is that he has a Mac. I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him, although as he's a Mac owner we do of course always have that slight suspicion.

The vast majority of people with slow pageloads have a DNS, network, PC or browser issue (and quite likely all four).

However some may be getting jammed up on a faulty server, or have a less than optimal local CDN, and this cannot be discounted of course. This is what I'm trying to track down now. We could easily have a server fault on one of the boxes, and our guys need to hunt this down if it's there.

 

[MastiffMike]

Instead of "Guest" for the name of the splitter, may I suggest "AngusATAT"?

FWIW, I didn't notice any speed increase nor do I like threads split. MY opinion is to leave the threads AS-IS and focus elsewhere on ways to speed things up (like educating people with slow connections or browser issues).

 

[salemgold]

and for what it's worth - my page load times on those short threads are atrocious this am ......

I have always had long load times going from a thread out to the main page of the forum and still do. Just clicking on different areas of the forum take forever. Forget about the threads.

 

[salemgold]

Well, Chris, the membership is usually informed in advance when changes are going to be made to the forum. Unless I missed something and that is probable, we weren't informed of this. Also the person who closed the threads, used the name of "guest", rather than his forum name. That's what I meant by cloak and dagger.

I knew that's what you meant, Jerry. I thought that same thing last night as it was happening. I was sure that the forum had been compromised lol

 

[RippleInStillWater]

Just my 2cents but I have had no load problems till all the social buttons were added and then partially removed. The only time I have page load slowdown is when I am on one of my older notebooks. On my main notebook or my desktop I do not have a loading problem. I have dealt with major forums in past that had threads with millions of post in them and there was no load problems(except for people with older computers or dialup or slow connections. I think some of the load speed complaints are from people with slow connections that don't understand that. I run a 25mb cable connection at home and a 1.5mb dsl connection at work and do not have load speed problems except on older computers. I don't do alot of IT as I am an Electronic Tech by trade and work on other end. Like I said just my 2cents.

@Woody
I basically agree Woody, there are plenty of folks out there many thousands of miles away and even in different countries who get pageloads of 3 seconds no matter what. The basic ECF set-up is very fast and we have enough proof of that. For example our commercial manager consistently gets pageloads of any post page in 2.5 seconds, on any thread, no matter how heavily loaded the forum is, when browsing as a guest; when logged-in the load time is 3 seconds. He's 3,000 miles away in another country. The thing I hate about this is that he has a Mac. I have absolutely no reason to disbelieve him, although as he's a Mac owner we do of course always have that slight suspicion.

The vast majority of people with slow pageloads have a DNS, network, PC or browser issue (and quite likely all four).

However some may be getting jammed up on a faulty server, or have a less than optimal local CDN, and this cannot be discounted of course. This is what I'm trying to track down now. We could easily have a server fault on one of the boxes, and our guys need to hunt this down if it's there.

Should I say it again, roly? Whoops, woody beat me to it!!! And you avoided the question.....

 

[thehangdude]

Since I checked the "Disable Social" button, load times are dramatically improved. The only real slow page is "Forum", the main page.

 

[tmcase]

Instead of "Guest" for the name of the splitter, may I suggest "AngusATAT"?

FWIW, I didn't notice any speed increase nor do I like threads split. MY opinion is to leave the threads AS-IS and focus elsewhere on ways to speed things up (like educating people with slow connections or browser issues).

I'm getting real tired of people blaming slow internet speeds causing slow page loads. I have DSL which gets over 2+mb download so I wouldn't call that slow. Since the splitting of huge threads, pages have been loading in 5 sec or less as compared to 17 - 30 secs before the split. I'm also getting tired of people suggesting installing a different browser. Whey the hell should I have to have a different browser to view ECF when Chrome works just fine all every other site I got to, like Amazon, ebay etc which are larger sites than ECF? I think they are on the right track with spitting the larger threads and I hope they do something about not allowing in post videos but use links to the videos instead. Those videos take forever to load. I'm happy with the way things are but I can see where the suppliers may be having a problem but that will get worked out.

 

[emsmom]

Sure would have been nice had someone told us what was going on. Having a "guest" closing threads and rerouting them without any warning was not very wise. Made it appear that someone had hacked in. In the future, a little warning would be nice!

 

[Drewsworld]

http://i.imgur.com/sfKYO.jpg


Ooops...I think this has been done before with no good results.......................

 

[MastiffMike]

I'm getting real tired of people blaming slow internet speeds causing slow page loads. I have DSL which gets over 2+mb download so I wouldn't call that slow. Since the splitting of huge threads, pages have been loading in 5 sec or less as compared to 17 - 30 secs before the split. I'm also getting tired of people suggesting installing a different browser. Whey the hell should I have to have a different browser to view ECF when Chrome works just fine all every other site I got to, like Amazon, ebay etc which are larger sites than ECF? I think they are on the right track with spitting the larger threads and I hope they do something about not allowing in post videos but use links to the videos instead. Those videos take forever to load. I'm happy with the way things are but I can see where the suppliers may be having a problem but that will get worked out.

TM, please don't take offense but if it's taking 17-30 seconds to load, the problem IS on your end. Your internet connection is WAY faster than mine and regardless of thread size, videos posted, animated gifs/pictures, etc. it NEVER takes more than 5 seconds for ANY page to load for me.

If loading takes >10 seconds, I'd seriously look at what could be underlying factors (i.e. post per page, theme used, browser add-ons, etc.) because that is NOT normal. Heck, even on dial-up it doesn't take more than 15 seconds or so to load.

And a video takes forever? Maybe I'm missing something? My understanding is that the video isn't actually loaded on the page UNTIL you hit "play", otherwise it's just the thumbnail photo and NOT the full video that's being downloaded. So a page with 10 videos and a page with 10 photos (resolution sized like the videos) would both load in the same timeframe (everything else being equal). So why would a video post be any slower than a photo? They both have to retrieve the photo/thumbnail from the host site. Only reason I can think of is that videos have a video player and maybe that's increasing load times? But even that shouldn't impact things much.

Maybe someone with more tech knowledge than me can chime in?

 

[MastiffMike]

Anyone with slow load times, have you tried pinging/trace routing ECF? I wonder if that might help determine possible causes.

 

[tmcase]

TM, please don't take offense but if it's taking 17-30 seconds to load, the problem IS on your end. Your internet connection is WAY faster than mine and regardless of thread size, videos posted, animated gifs/pictures, etc. it NEVER takes more than 5 seconds for ANY page to load for me.

If loading takes >10 seconds, I'd seriously look at what could be underlying factors (i.e. post per page, theme used, browser add-ons, etc.) because that is NOT normal. Heck, even on dial-up it doesn't take more than 15 seconds or so to load.

And a video takes forever? Maybe I'm missing something? My understanding is that the video isn't actually loaded on the page UNTIL you hit "play", otherwise it's just the thumbnail photo and NOT the full video that's being downloaded. So a page with 10 videos and a page with 10 photos (resolution sized like the videos) would both load in the same timeframe (everything else being equal). So why would a video post be any slower than a photo? They both have to retrieve the photo/thumbnail from the host site. Only reason I can think of is that videos have a video player and maybe that's increasing load times? But even that shouldn't impact things much.

Maybe someone with more tech knowledge than me can chime in?

No offense taken but I have issues with what you are saying. I don't believe the problem is at my end because of the reason I stated above. I'm using Kirsh skin and not using many add-ons in my browsers, just adblockers. As for videos...most of the videos I've seen in posts are not thumbnails, they are the actual youtube vids. While one is loading I can't even scroll past it until it has completely loaded.

 

[grantium]

If it helps troubleshoot, the mobile app Tapatalk loads threads nearly instantly. It's probably using an API, but it makes me wonder if this isn't a database problem and its a problem with something that displays with each post. I don't use the actual site much, so that's all I got.

Good luck.

 

[tmcase]

Anyone with slow load times, have you tried pinging/trace routing ECF? I wonder if that might help determine possible causes.

How does it help to know if there is a server along the way to ECF that is slow? There isn't much we can do about that is there? I'm not techie so this is beyond me.