Converting smokers say vaping hurts?

[wv2win]

24 is considered strong and new vapers should not really start at 24 . Most of us do start at 24 because we feel we need to but that is not true . Get them to start at 9 or 12 then they can go up from there if that does not satisfy them .

This is some of the worst advice I have read on ECF. The vast majority of people trying to transition away from smoking and to vaping, need around 24mg to make the transition. 24mg is the most common strength vaped based on polls on ECF and other vaping forums. There are some who are successful using lower levels and that is fine, but they are far from the majority.

There are many people who started too low, decided that vaping was a "scam" because it didn't give them enough nicotine in comparison to smoking to get off the cigarettes. It is most always better to start higher and then lower it when and if you feel you need a less strong level. The alternative is to give up and go back to smoking.

 

[Pipeous]

I agree with wv2win. I wished I had ordered stronger yet when I quit smoking. I had 24mg juice. I ended up using 33 and 38 for a while and that helped me vape less.

some people just have reactions to different things. some flavourings really affect myself. and I prefer less vg, none at all be best for me. some are sensitive to pg. we know that vg and pg are safe for the most part and have been tested but we don't know for sure on the flavourings and what is in them.

 

[Myrkos]

I agree with wv2win. I wished I had ordered stronger yet when I quit smoking. I had 24mg juice. I ended up using 33 and 38 for a while and that helped me vape less.

some people just have reactions to different things. some flavourings really affect myself. and I prefer less vg, none at all be best for me. some are sensitive to pg. we know that vg and pg are safe for the most part and have been tested but we don't know for sure on the flavourings and what is in them.

I don't have a ton of experience with different juices but I learned today while vaping a friends 100% VG. It works for for him but it burned my throat like hell fire. I normally vape 70% PG and have slowly lowered from 24 to 6mg nicotine. This 100% VG with I think 24mg nicotine made me cough and choke. The higher nicotine may have played a part as well. Everyone is different you just have to find what works for you.

 

[kanadiankat]

I have been working on converting a few smokers lately. They don't seem to be taking to it as easily as I did.
They both say that vaping hurts ( burns) their throats! Now they are both using the standard 510 batts, with either attys and carts or the cartos that I suggested they use.
I put juicy clear Dumay with both of them. Just trying to give the smoking experience that most of us wanted at first. I believe jc is a blend of pg/vg. Even tried a straight vg dumarier flavor and it had an odor that was a turn off. Either 24mg or 18mg of nic.
Any ideas why this is 'hurting' them?

Lots of ideas! Wow - just reading through them brings back so many memories....

One of the big problems with new vapers is that vape inhalations are similar but not the same as having a puff off a cigarette.

The secret is in the draw!

With cigarettes - people tend to draw directly into the back of the throat and down.

With Vaping - it's best to draw the vapor into your mouth first - then inhale. This way the vapor warms up a bit and the throat handles it much better.

It's not easy to do at first though - because the newbie is going to be thinking of an ecig as a tobacco cigarette. That'll cause a cough!

Over time - each person develops a technique that works best for them. It will always be slightly different that the way they smoked. Also, new vapers will notice that vaping causes a bit of a different stress on the throat than tobacco. Might seem strange or unpleasant for the first couple days.

 

[Bdbodger]

This is some of the worst advice I have read on ECF. The vast majority of people trying to transition away from smoking and to vaping, need around 24mg to make the transition. 24mg is the most common strength vaped based on polls on ECF and other vaping forums. There are some who are successful using lower levels and that is fine, but they are far from the majority.

There are many people who started too low, decided that vaping was a "scam" because it didn't give them enough nicotine in comparison to smoking to get off the cigarettes. It is most always better to start higher and then lower it when and if you feel you need a less strong level. The alternative is to give up and go back to smoking.

So what happens when they try it get a sore throat then quit vaping . That is already happened to one person I tried to convert .

 

[heXy]

It depends on the person. I tried to convert my mother, but because she smokes extremely light cigarette's; my 18 or 16 was too strong for her (throat hit wise). IMO, the less nic there is, the less TH there is. I believe the OP was referring to the strong TH, not the nic level. So while they may require 24mg to sooth the craving, it's too harsh at first. I'd rather vape more often with less nic, than cough every inhale on something too strong.

Either path you choose, the nic will get there...

 

[Bdbodger]

When I started vaping 24 hurt my throat and I almost went down to a lower level but I stuck with it and eventually got use to it but not everyone is willing to stick with it in hopes that they will get use to it . I say start low get use to it then try a higher nic level . By that time you are use to vaping and can take it easier .

 

[heXy]

I had to dilute mine. Vaping was really fun at first, so I'd want to hit the thing a lot, but with 24mg my hands would start going tingly, and I'd get dizzy after 5 drags lol.

I've used 18, 16 and 12 ever since, more in the 12 range now predominantly. Which I'm happy about, I'd like to kill the nic habit in time to.

 

[JayTheVapingGuy]

hah... me being the frugal guy i is... i went and while they still existed... i got 38mg/ml Caramel from Vapables.com... figured, rather have too strong and just take less draws than not enough and vape myself silly...

... i average between 18-24 as my sweet spot... anymore than 24 and i find it a bit much... i have several bottles of 36mg Dekang juices that i've cut by 2/3's and in my VMU they hits that perfect spot, just enough flavour/just enough TH and just enough nic... its only 12mg but where 4.9v-5.5v uses up so much more juice quickly, i find that it works out to be as comfortable to me as an 18mg vape.

 

[Bdbodger]

hah... me being the frugal guy i is... i went and while they still existed... i got 38mg/ml Caramel from Vapables.com... figured, rather have too strong and just take less draws than not enough and vape myself silly...

... i average between 18-24 as my sweet spot... anymore than 24 and i find it a bit much... i have several bottles of 36mg Dekang juices that i've cut by 2/3's and in my VMU they hits that perfect spot, just enough flavour/just enough TH and just enough nic... its only 12mg but where 4.9v-5.5v uses up so much more juice quickly, i find that it works out to be as comfortable to me as an 18mg vape.

Since I got my provari recently I have vaped 12mg and found it to be not bad . I don't know if I could use it all the time but it is much different vaping at a higher voltage so you can get away with a lower nic level . The same sort of goes for a LR cartomizer as well . As long as it gives you really good vapor level you don't need as much nic to be satisfied . In Canada any nic level higher than 24mg is not common although I have seen some sites selling 36mg flavorless .

 

[illillillillilli]

I'm having this problem too! They just want it to work for them without a little work as possible. They are just used to grabbing a lighter and lighting up a cigarette. That's it. I can't but to feel bad for their failure. I tried to encourage them to stick with it, but it's like they dont want to stick with it. I guess you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make them drink. I just don't understand why it's so difficult of just getting the basics of just getting it to work. I took to it like fly on fecal matter. I think next payday, I'm going to order some ecf cards.

 

[kingcobra]

If people are coughing too much from vaping, it's because they haven't learned to do it properly. Personally, I will cough my brains out anytime I'm drawing too much, which is something that's hard to do with a real cigarette but pretty easy to do vaping. As far as drawing the smoke or vapor into your mouth first and then inhaling, that's the way I smoke as well, and inhaling anything directly into the lungs will make you cough.

 

[wv2win]

So what happens when they try it get a sore throat then quit vaping . That is already happened to one person I tried to convert .

They can always try a different liquid, etc. My point stays the same. I give advice based on what the MAJORITY needs to be successful, not the minority. I would rather one vaper go back to smoking because he got a sore throat than 10 go back to smoking because they couldn't satisfy their nicotine and throat hit requirements to actually transition completely to vaping.

 

[Bdbodger]

I would like to know what people are calling throat hit . I think I use to feel a throat hit but got use to vaping and don't have that any more . Besides I like lots of vapor and flavor not having it hurt my throat . I don't need a hit just some good tasting vapor .

 

[illillillillilli]

TH is the tingly sensation. Ever get juice on your tongue? It's like that but way more mild.

 

[D-guy]

Thanks for the input and discussions on this.
I am back at work now. Going to continue the positive ( not pushy ) reinforcement from here.
I think many people want an immediate result and it is just simply different. Personally I smoked for a few weeks while vaping before that one day where I forgot my morning smoke. Then and only then did I realize it could really work.
I will see how the next few weeks go. I have some ideas for more flavor etc... And will try those out on the newbs when I get back.
Thanks to vaping and especially the ECF for helping me and mine!

 

[Pipeous]

Good luck. I am getting a bit of pain from vaping this morning (slept late after last graveyard shift of the week). some people just don't agree with this stuff. my bud lives across from me coughs even with the lightest puff and won't turn to vaping though his wife is fine with it. some don't like pg, some vg, some flavours. the pg burns a bit to me but goes away after a while in the morning, but vg makes me feel phlegmy, so I prefer the pain short term...

 

[hobotivo]

My wife and I were so lucky, we just got the ego-T's and started vaping and stopped smoking.
It was just too easy. I'd really like to know why it's like that for some but not others.
Cheers

 

[light487]

Drop the nic juice amount down to around 11mg or even 6mg. They made not need as high as you do. They may be more sensitive to the vapour also.

 

[NoizMaker]

My wife and I were so lucky, we just got the ego-T's and started vaping and stopped smoking.
It was just too easy. I'd really like to know why it's like that for some but not others.
Cheers

The answer to that is a complex one but I will attempt to explain. Cigarettes contain more than just Nicotine as an addictive chemical and some smokers are just as addicted to the MAOI's and so on that are in cigarettes.

The equation seems to be;

Smoker determined to quit + time + research + actual interest in electronic cigarettes = Legitimate attempt(s) at switching;


Sometimes it doesn't work, other times they go back to cigarettes and sometimes they stay dedicated and try to find the device or juice that finally helps them kick the habit and just smoke and vape through the day.

I was lucky enough to have the eGo work for me, back when the device first came out (old school). I had tried Green Smoke, 510's, 901's and a variety of juices and e-cig tech just wasn't as far along as it is now. What finally worked for me (after a few hundred dollars being wasted on crap) was a Standard Joye eGo w/ the cone, standard resistance atomizers and 18 mg Dekang Winston Juice.

Just remember, vaping is all subjective and what works for one person will probably not work for another. When I first bought my 510 and was messing with cartridges, there were thousands of very happy 510 vapers out there and it simply didn't work for me at all.