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I vape in my own office when I'm alone, but I subscribe to the same theory a couple of others on here have mentioned... don't vape where you know you aren't allowed to smoke. If you've shown your supervisor that it isn't actually "smoking" and he's given you a direct order still not to do it... I would just put it away and wait till your smoke break time comes around and then walk outside and vape there. Pick and choose your battles wisely... you may find that by bucking your boss too much you won't just be looking for a place to vape at work, but also a new place to work in general.
This is because nicotine in its raw form is not as addictive as what most people think. Big brother cig companies have very smart chemists and all the extra chemicals that go into cigarettes are what make them so addicting. They have been progressively been getting worse since the 80's.
On a side note, someone above mentioned stealth vaping. Save blowing into your shirt, there is an easier way. When you take an inhale, just hold it in for a longer period of time and the exhausted vapor that comes out will be close to nil.
I wholeheartedly agree with this statement.
Your boss's interest is in not being fired.
Your interest is in vaping, is in quitting smoking, is in using the best quit smoking TOOL that works for you.
Perhaps showing HIM some compassion and arming him with FAQ literature for him to read in his spare time will arm both of you in due time. He needs time, and he needs facts. He needs to know it's a TOOL, not a rebellion.
He was honest with you. He could have just said: Because I said so.
People don't want to be convinced that vaping is not smoking. They simply don't care how you explain it. It's still smoking to them.
So far I've been approached by two strangers on two separate occasions while vaping in the parking lot outside a shopping mall, which I've always done in my analog life. (I don't smoke in my car.) I light up a cig also as soon as I get out of the mall. One person asked me if I had an extra smoke and the other asked if I had a lighter. I told them I'm smoking an electric cigarette. "Oh, I see", then they went away. They weren't even curious what it was and tried to pose millions of questions. Those guys are not ready to quit smoking.
Point is, it's really not about them it's about me trying to quit this deadly habit. I vape while walking, I can vape in my car now, and everywhere smoking is allowed. And since vaping don't leave any traces or smell anywhere like smoke it's easier to find a place where I can vape. As for educating people, you can only educate fellow smokers or people who used to smoke. Or people who have friends and loved ones who smoke. The rest will never understand or want to understand.
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So far I've been approached by two strangers on two separate occasions while vaping in the parking lot outside a shopping mall, which I've always done in my analog life. (I don't smoke in my car.) I light up a cig also as soon as I get out of the mall. One person asked me if I had an extra smoke and the other asked if I had a lighter. I told them I'm smoking an electric cigarette. "Oh, I see", then they went away. They weren't even curious what it was and tried to pose millions of questions. Those guys are not ready to quit smoking.
Point is, it's really not about them it's about me trying to quit this deadly habit. I vape while walking, I can vape in my car now, and everywhere smoking is allowed. And since vaping don't leave any traces or smell anywhere like smoke it's easier to find a place where I can vape. As for educating people, you can only educate fellow smokers or people who used to smoke. Or people who have friends and loved ones who smoke. The rest will never understand or want to understand.
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I can't vape inside, I have to go to the smoking areas. The State of New Jersey in it's infinite wisdom ruled vaping is smoking...period. But, that's what bathrooms are for.
I have been banned from vaping inside by the state of NJ also. Is vaping allowed indoors in most other states? I have not looked into it? I would choose to be non-confrontational while vaping anyway. Being confrontational will not help the cause. I could go 30 mins in a store not smoking an analog, so I can certainly go withoug a vape for that shoping time. I can go through a meal at a restaurant while not smoking, so I can certainly go without a vape.
As AG ( a well respected member on ECF) has said:
I don't vape where others can't smoke.
Vaping isn't a right, it's a habit...just like smoking.
I think that people have the right to not breathe in our vapor, whether we deem it harmless or not. That is their right and I would choose not to infringe on that.
Sorry, if I upset anyone. This is just my personal opinion.
im doing a certificate 3 and my trainer said i was fine to vape in class i nearly fell over he made a joke about it. It maybe just he thinks vaping is a good idea as he quit cigs cause of a heart attack but still others in the class now are buying pvs and so vaping may take off in my little town in oz
in australia i have heard of no smoking or ecigs in major cities havent seen these signs myself yet tho
I am in Australia too, I haven't seen any e-Cig banned signs yet. I am really hoping that day won't come
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Because vapor does look a lot like smoke I think it is going to take some time, and nuanced thinking, to sort out who can vape where and when.
Somewhat, though not entirely, like drinking a bottle of non-alcoholic beer while driving . . . it can raise eyebrows.
Somewhat, though not entirely, like drinking a bottle of non-alcoholic beer while driving . . . it can raise eyebrows.
yup, try walking into a bank(courthouse, Police station, etc) with a toy gun.... orange plastic tip or not
(sorry for the extreme comparison)
I think that one of the major problems that the "powers that be" have with vaping is that (technically) not much is known about it & the FDA is still testing certain aspects of it all. I just recently started vaping (I cut down from a pack a day to just a few a day and now I'm on my 3rd day without a cigarette at all) and when I told people that I'm "vaping" now they just kind of look at me like I'm crazy. It's not mainstream at this point.
Also, I think that a lot of places ban vaping because it does look so similar to actually smoking that it confuses people and the folks in charge just don't want to deal with it. You have non-smokers that see the "smoke" (vapor) and assume that it's due to a cigarette and then immediately complain before even noticing that they aren't actually bothered by it. C'mon... you all know that there are people out there that HATE smokers and will complain even when they're nowhere close to a person smoking. Also, again... because it does look like someone is really smoking you might have other smokers seeing this and assuming that it is okay to smoke in that area and light up as well. I think that the "powers that be" just don't want to deal with it.
Also, I think that a lot of places ban vaping because it does look so similar to actually smoking that it confuses people and the folks in charge just don't want to deal with it. You have non-smokers that see the "smoke" (vapor) and assume that it's due to a cigarette and then immediately complain before even noticing that they aren't actually bothered by it. C'mon... you all know that there are people out there that HATE smokers and will complain even when they're nowhere close to a person smoking. Also, again... because it does look like someone is really smoking you might have other smokers seeing this and assuming that it is okay to smoke in that area and light up as well. I think that the "powers that be" just don't want to deal with it.
Thing is, we're still not absolutely sure whether second-hand vape is harmless or not. Those clouds of vapor we're discharging out there, after all, still come from the human body. What if the vaper has an infectious disease, a flu or something? I don't have the answer to this. But it seems easy to imagine how equally harmful it is to smoke if seen that way. I don't know. It still seems disrespectful to discharge smoke of vapors in front or near other people who don't smoke.
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First, congrats on quitting.
I used to have a part time job in a bar in Dallas. When Dallas passed a law to keep people from smoking in bars, a couple of our regulars started using e-cigs (mini "looks like an analog" style) and the manager of the bar told them that he wouldn't let them use them in the bar. It cost him some customers, too, because they just found another bar that would let them use their e-cigs and started going there.
The two reasons you mentioned were two of his reasons. His third, and I think the one that worried him the most, was explained to me as "I don't like the cops coming into the bar, it looks bad, and once they are here, who knows what happens. I like to give them as few reasons as possible to come in. If someone see's them using their e-cigs and thinks they are smoking, they may complain to the bartender, but they may just call the cops and complain. And if the cops get a complaint, that gives them a reason to come to the bar and start snooping around. And with my luck, just before the cops walk in the door, some smoker will see them using an e-cig and decide "Hey, it's OK to smoke in the bar". He'll light a cig, they'll walk in the door, and I'll get a $250 fine. I don't want to deal with it."
I don't agree with his choice, but he made the rules. Personally, I think he lost a lot of business by not allowing it, as I know for *sure* that several people who had been regulars started going to another bar. He essentially fined himself, since he chased off that business.
The anti-smoking law cut into bar business by 30% or so, not just at that bar, but at most bars in town. A lot of them, like the one I used to work at, are no longer around.
I do keep thinking that someone should take an existing bar, make it vape friendly, and set up a small vape-shop that sells basic equipment and juice in the bar.
If that's the case, vaping isn't the problem, the problem is that they have a contagious disease and are out in public. Whether they are vaping or not vaping, they are breathing (and possibly coughing) and spreading germs.
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