County wants to ban public e-cigarette smoking

[JonnyVapΣ]

Nice work Placebo!

I'm on a lot of pain killers today and can't form something witty to say about that article, and the "looks like smoking", issue...LOL...I know, right?


Oh wait, here's something equally stupid...next time one of us gets pulled over for speeding tell the officer; "It looked like the guy ahead of me was following the speed limit so I was just doing what he was doing".


Wait....what?


Right....

 

[Vocalek]

Slightly good news. I e-mailed the author of the piece and requested she consider writing a more balanced follow-up article, and pointed out that the County's quoting of the FDA report about the diethelyne glycol and carcinogens was disingenuous in light of the facts.

She quickly e-mailed me back and asked for some information. In addition to a copy of the FDA's report (which she asked for), I sent her the CASAA, its 8 Myths article, a couple other links, and contact info for Elaine Keller and Bill Godshall. Hopefully she puts in a phone call to someone.

Yes, I am the official press contact for CASAA. Email is ekeller at casaa.org. If they send me an email, I will respond with phone number.

 

[tybin]

I wrote her as well.

Slightly good news. I e-mailed the author of the piece and requested she consider writing a more balanced follow-up article, and pointed out that the County's quoting of the FDA report about the diethelyne glycol and carcinogens was disingenuous in light of the facts.

She quickly e-mailed me back and asked for some information. In addition to a copy of the FDA's report (which she asked for), I sent her the CASAA, its 8 Myths article, a couple other links, and contact info for Elaine Keller and Bill Godshall. Hopefully she puts in a phone call to someone.

 

[Placebo Effect]

Yes, I am the official press contact for CASAA. Email is ekeller at casaa.org. If they send me an email, I will respond with phone number.

I actually searched around and found your number, which I think was included on a CASAA press release. I gave her that and your e-mail.

I mentioned to her that Bill may be more relevant to the story since his organization fought for smokefree workplace laws, and they are now advocates for the e-cigarette.

She seemed very thankful for the info. Hopefully she contacts someone.

 

[Vocalek]

Thanks for that. I hope she does too. Doesn't matter which one, because she will hear essentially the same facts from either of us.

 

[DivaB]

I was sitting here reading this thread, and of course thinking that once one county or state passes something, others are sure to follow, so it does in fact affect us all. I'm glad Placebo Effect took some action. What can the rest of us do to help rather than just having a gripe fest on a forum? How can each of us help to educate our county, city, and state on vaping? Have there been any sound, adequate, controlled studies completed yet? If not, how do we move forward. If there is, does anyone have a link to share? I know there is several questions in this post, but they need asked.

 

[mauzey]

Slightly good news. I e-mailed the author of the piece and requested she consider writing a more balanced follow-up article, and pointed out that the County's quoting of the FDA report about the diethelyne glycol and carcinogens was disingenuous in light of the facts.

She quickly e-mailed me back and asked for some information. In addition to a copy of the FDA's report (which she asked for), I sent her the CASAA, its 8 Myths article, a couple other links, and contact info for Elaine Keller and Bill Godshall. Hopefully she puts in a phone call to someone.

Thanks Placebo, that was a good call. After seeing your post I sent her a note as well, she did write a note back this morning. She seemed interested to hear the "Rest of the story" as Paul Harvey is fond saying. I would like to hope something good comes from it.

Thanks,
Jeff~

 

[Vocalek]

I was sitting here reading this thread, and of course thinking that once one county or state passes something, others are sure to follow, so it does in fact affect us all. I'm glad Placebo Effect took some action. What can the rest of us do to help rather than just having a gripe fest on a forum? How can each of us help to educate our county, city, and state on vaping? Have there been any sound, adequate, controlled studies completed yet? If not, how do we move forward. If there is, does anyone have a link to share? I know there is several questions in this post, but they need asked.

All good questions. See response #8 in this thread. It contains a letter with references to the studies. http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...australians-switching-e-cigs-despite-ban.html

Other good sources of information are:
CASAA Position Statement http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA Position Statement.pdf
CASAA Tri-fold Brochure: http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA-Ecig-TriFold-Brochure.pdf
CASAA Medical Inograph (aimed at doctors): http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA Medical infograph(4).pdf

Explore the other documents available for download on CASAA: CASAA.org

And yes you can help. Contact your local & state elected officials. This is where the battleground lies right now. The local chapters of the Heart, Lung, and Cancer organizations have been sent the set of lies in "Policy Guidance Document" jointly issued by the national offices of these three orgnizations, under the guidance of the Campaign for Tobacco-free Kids. Local chapters have been told to contact their local and state officials. What you need to do is tell your own story--how using the e-cigarette has helped you and/or others yoiu know, let the officials know how important this issue is to public health.

If you can get a face-to-face meeting with your state/local reps, take along printed copies of some of the documentation to refute the disinformation they have probably already received from the Alphabet Soup Gang (CTFK, ALA, AHA, and ACS).

The CASAA Position Statement was written to refute the lies the "Policy Guidance Document" jointly issued by these organization that are supposed to be guarding public health and helping folks quit smoking.

 

[rothenbj]

I was sitting here reading this thread, and of course thinking that once one county or state passes something, others are sure to follow, so it does in fact affect us all. I'm glad Placebo Effect took some action. What can the rest of us do to help rather than just having a gripe fest on a forum? How can each of us help to educate our county, city, and state on vaping? Have there been any sound, adequate, controlled studies completed yet? If not, how do we move forward. If there is, does anyone have a link to share? I know there is several questions in this post, but they need asked.

DivaB, I posted the following on another thread earlier today, but it's something that everyone should be aware of-

That's precisely why the user funded Indoor Vapor Air Quality Studystudy is so important to get funded and published.

It's expensive getting this type of thing done and and anti-smoking/tobacco/nic extremists aren't going to do it because they know well that it would be difficult to show PVs to be anywhere near as hazardous as SHS which they really need to stretch for in the first place. Instead they'll spend money on studies like we saw from UCR with a lot of mights and coulds and a summary that they're dangerous to animals and children and should be pulled from the market.

There's a donate button in the link and there's a link to a raffle for vendor provided stuff every month or so. The money generated gets added to the funds for the study. I'm not sure what total contributions are to date but last time I looked the fund was short of the half way mark. December's raffle (I didn't win) was last week but there should be information on the next one placed on the site in the near future. I know they generated about $2,000 in December, but to me that rate is way to slow to get this done.

This study would help as a weapon against the "we just don't know" folks that seem so intent on insuring that the tobacco/pharma franchises stay intact.

 

[kristin]

It looks like there is a good chance that CASAA will be sending Board Director Thad Marney to speak in Seattle! If anyone else in the area wants to lend their support, please contact us. We're probably going to have an emergency meeting in the next day or so to go over the game plan. I know we also have a Regional Rep in the area - "VPR" on the CASAA forum. I'm not sure of her ECF name is?

 

[tybin]

the author of the article wants to know when the attorney general of was state said e-cigs don't violate the no smoking law. I couldn't find the date. Hopefully someone at CASSA knows?

 

[yvilla]

the author of the article wants to know when the attorney general of was state said e-cigs don't violate the no smoking law. I couldn't find the date. Hopefully someone at CASSA knows?

Tybin, if you mean the Virginia ruling, it was VA AG Kenneth Cuccinelli. His official advisory opinion is at page 9 of CASAA's legislative packet: http://www.casaa.org/files/CASAA_Legislative_Packet_Regarding_Indoor_Bans_Web.pdf

 

[Dandith]

Here is the thread with a nice list of all the county officials. Maybe a nice batch of emails will get the point across.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/108550-seattle-king-county-ban-info.html

Thanks for your Support.

 

[Ardeagold]

This is the proposed law that got Rush Limbaugh ranting today. He's an e-cig smoker so spent a good deal of time on his radio program today talking about it...and the King County law.

 

[DivaB]

Okay guys...wow; there is a lot of information happening now. I have another question...I was diving into all of the reading, the links, the PDFs, and CASSA and my question is...Do we really want the FDA to reclassify e-cigs as a tobacco product? I'm not sure how I feel about that, considering all that has happened with that kind of power. Obviously it is not a tobacco, yet I don't want it classified as a drug either; although technically nicotine is.

Honestly; I think I'm done posting tonight and I need a break from reading. My thoughts have become dubious, questions have now become my only language, and my mind is racing and twirling from the many articles. I will get back to it tomorrow after a break and some much needed rest. Great thread though!

 

[CJsKee]

Rush blasted King county...

Nannies Set Their Sights on E-Cigs
December 14, 2010

RUSH: "Five years after Washington residents voted to ban smoking cigarettes, cigars and pipes in public places, King County wants to add one more thing to the list: Electronic cigarettes." Wait until you hear why. "The 2006 state law banned smoking in bars and restaurants on the basis that second-hand smoke causes cancer and other diseases." Secondhand. It doesn't. That's not to say it doesn't make people uncomfortable. Of course I think it's largely in people's minds, but I don't even want to go there because I'm not gonna win that argument with people. You get it in your head that somebody's smoking a cigarette 25 or 30 feet away from makes you feel bad I'm not gonna be able to talk you out of it. I'm not a shrink.

So secondhand smoke. They gonna get rid of all cigarettes, all pipes, all the cigars in public places. "But King County's rationale for adding e-cigarettes ... is a little different." The e-cigarettes "from which users inhale vaporized nicotine, don't emit smoke." They produce water vapor. It doesn't smell. It's combustion free. There's no flame. There's no fire. There's no tobacco. Nothing is burning. There's just a liquid in the nicotine cartridge that screws onto the battery. The battery is what looks like the cigarette. When you inhale, the battery powers the atomizer inside the cartridge and that turns the liquefied nicotine into a water vapor that looks just like smoke. They come in all kinds of different flavors depending on from where you buy them, and they're no different that nicotine gum or the nicotine patch.

Click on link to see the rest of the transcript...

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/dai...109.guest.html

 

[5cardstud]

Thats the Governors county and She is about as liberal as they come. They made the tribes here charge tax on their cigarettes because everyone was buying from them. Here's the kicker, they said the tribes could keep the tax money if they wanted to as long as they charged it. Washington state has allot of weird laws and prcedures but it is nothing more than another San Francisco politically.

 

[Luisa]

Here is the thread with a nice list of all the county officials. Maybe a nice batch of emails will get the point across.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/e-cigarette-news/108550-seattle-king-county-ban-info.html

Thanks for your Support.

Send them Rush L. tape on the subject.

 

[mauzey]

It looks like there is a good chance that CASAA will be sending Board Director Thad Marney to speak in Seattle! If anyone else in the area wants to lend their support, please contact us. We're probably going to have an emergency meeting in the next day or so to go over the game plan. I know we also have a Regional Rep in the area - "VPR" on the CASAA forum. I'm not sure of her ECF name is?

kristin, I would like to see that, what venue? Who would he be speaking to?

Thanks,
Jeff~

 

[son et lumiere]

Never gonna happen.