CR2 LiFePO4 batteries with charger

Status
Not open for further replies.

Elf

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 11, 2009
84
4
California
Elf,
Thanks for a very informative post! I have one question for you. I have a charger that says it is for liFePo4 3v. It fits either CR2's or CR123's. Can this charger be used to charge 3v lithium ion batts?

Without knowing more, I must say do be very careful charging any Li-type batteries and only use a charger recommended specifically for the batteries in question. The chargers are built to the specs of the battery type and are not cross-compatible unless the charger distinctly says so. Li-Fe and Li-Ion batteries are distinctly different in chemistry.

I do have a couple chargers that will charge Li-Ion,Li-Po, and Li-Fe, but they are not your normal kind of chargers. Unless you are into this kind of hobby (and expense), your charger likely does not have this capability.

To give an example of how this is a very precise method for a particular cell -
When my chargers charge LiPo cells with a 1C charge rate, the charger first verifies that the voltage of the cells are okay.. not too low, not too high. Then it starts pushing a little current (mah), and then rapidly increasing the current while watching the voltage carefully (so it NEVER exceeds 4.2v at the battery). For the batteries I typically use, the current (charge rate) gets pushed up to 1C (in the case of 5000mah batteries, that would be a 5000mah charge rate) pretty quick. In about 45 minutes, the cells are getting pretty full, and voltage climbs to 4.2v under charge. At this point the charger starts backing off the current dynamically, still pushing as much into it at a time as it can without exceeding the 4.2v threshold. The charge amps keep backing off, until we are finally down to only 100mah charge without exceeding the 4.2v. The battery is now nearly (99+%) charged. A minute or two later, the charger will decide that it is impossible for it to keep charging even at the low 100mah charge without the cells going over 4.2v, and it shuts off charging altogether. The charge is done in just over an hour.

Your charger, while not this advanced, still needs to be able to appropriately charge the cell in question. For each kind of cell chemistry, there are "magic" voltage numbers never to exceed or go below, and "magic" charge and discharge rates never to exceed. Yes my LiPo batteries can safely charge in just over an hour. They can also perform bursts in excess of 200 amps on discharge. Any current PV batteries will likely go boom if either of these are attempted with them (for sure the discharge part).

Always use Li batteries safely. Li batteries can go boom if overcharged. They can go boom if over-discharged. They can go boom if the discharge rate is too high (think of a stuck button, or a short circuit, etc). They can go boom if you attempt to charge one that has been over discharged.

I'm not trying to spook you here - Li batteries are amazing - they just need a whole world of care that normal rechargables(NiCd,NiMh) do not. Be careful, and all will be fine :)
 

nj1001

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 14, 2009
902
340
Boston-ish
So I got my excellerator LiFePO4 CR2's today (the one's listed at the beginning of this thread, 2 with the charger & 2 other extra sets of batts). I left one pair charging for hours. They worked well for a minute or two them crapped out on me (& yeah flipping their position did nothing, of course). Bottom bat was 3.something & top was low (I forgot the specifics). Other batts plugged in give the green light but are showing .14 & one 1.7 Why's my light going green if they're nowhere near full charge? & why am I only getting a couple of minutes worth of vape time? I'll test my batts & pic a couple with charges around 3.2 & vape & again they'll only last me a few minutes.
 

DaMulta

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jun 18, 2009
2,300
11
45
T-Town Oklahoma
So I got my excellerator LiFePO4 CR2's today (the one's listed at the beginning of this thread, 2 with the charger & 2 other extra sets of batts). I left one pair charging for hours. They worked well for a minute or two them crapped out on me (& yeah flipping their position did nothing, of course). Bottom bat was 3.something & top was low (I forgot the specifics). Other batts plugged in give the green light but are showing .14 & one 1.7 Why's my light going green if they're nowhere near full charge? & why am I only getting a couple of minutes worth of vape time? I'll test my batts & pic a couple with charges around 3.2 & vape & again they'll only last me a few minutes.


If it makes you feel any better mine did that on the first charge/vape. I didn't think I had them in good. They might need a vape, then charge before they start working good then.....

Have you figured out holding the spring down with one finger then placing in the battery for a good spring contact yet?
 

Elf

Senior Member
ECF Veteran
Nov 11, 2009
84
4
California
Other batts plugged in give the green light but are showing .14 & one 1.7 Why's my light going green if they're nowhere near full charge?

is that 0.14? 1.4? even 1.7 sounds disturbing to me. I don't know the particular number for LiFe batteries so i could be wrong, but those numbers sound awfully low. With Li-Ion and Li-Po batteries, a decent charger will refuse to charge them if they are too low to be charged safely. I do wonder if this is what is happening. Perhaps they are defective? When you plug them in to charge, how long before the light goes green?
 

nj1001

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 14, 2009
902
340
Boston-ish
Well I have been tweeking with the testy spring to get them in well. & yeah turned out to be 2 out of 6 batts that were below 1v. Emailed south summit about it & they're sending me a couple of new ones. I am way way psyched to finally vape 6v safely on my bb with the remaining 4 cr2's. But I've found that I often have a difficult time getting even the ones that work well/charge well to last me more than 10 minutes.
 
Last edited:

DaMulta

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jun 18, 2009
2,300
11
45
T-Town Oklahoma
Well I have been tweeking with the testy spring to get them in well. & yeah turned out to be 2 out of 6 batts that were below 1v. Emailed south summit about it & they're sending me a couple of new ones. I am way way psyched to finally vape 6v safely on my bb with the remaining 4 cr2's. But I've found that I often have a difficult time getting even the ones that work well/charge well to last me more than 10 minutes.


So what do you think about the ones that are working? Mine die about 1.7v on the bottom after an hour of heavy non stop vapping.
 

nj1001

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 14, 2009
902
340
Boston-ish
I've had a couple of em, charged around 3.5, & last me nearly an hour of wee BB bliss that reminded me of its big brother. I was nearly creaming my cords as this was ultimately what I had been after with this beautiful little black bullet. On other attempts, however, using a couple of freshies they may last me about 10 minutes.

As for the duds, here's what I think might be happening: for whatever reason one of the batts charge to under 1V & the other barely 1. I imagine that the green light then automatically cuts of charging power to the batteries in the charger. So, what I've tried is taking a good one that needs a charge (a non-dud, needing a charge at 2.whateverV lets say) & when I put one like that in it turns the charger's light RED (therefore allowing a charging current into the battery). At that point I then put one of the crappy batteries in with the charge less than 1V & cross my fingers.
Also, I have developed a technique with minimal finiking to get the springs in proper alignment, no biggie just takes a few to get used to to make sure the spring is where it's supposed to be. Thanks y'all!

Revision: Well 2 of em are just duds & thats all there is to it. South Summit's gunna hook me up with 2 replacements so I can't complain about that. My only remaining problem is that I feel like sometimes I only get roughly 10 minutes of 6V vaping on them at full charge (3.5V fresh out of the charger) before they crap out on me. I'm gunna see what my problem is & test voltage regularly. But I have been able to get the hour long stretches at 6V more & more. It almost seems as though they need to be worked through a few cycles for optimal use. ;) I am a happy camper.
 
Last edited:

nj1001

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 14, 2009
902
340
Boston-ish

Pete54

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 30, 2009
2,637
3,412
Clearwater, Florida
I just wish you could buy pairs of them instead of just one pair with the charger for $30+
I bought the Shan batts with charger and they work great. I just received 4 batts from Summit. Charged the first 2 and one batt turned green on the charger in 5 minutes. That one seems to be weak. I'm charging the other pair and they seem OK. I'll tell you that the Shan batteries seem to last longer and seem more consistant. Problem is that I can't find anywhere to buy just the batts without the charger. If I could I wouldn't bother with the Excellerater batts at all. In fact, I probably won't buy them again anyway. I'm thinking about getting stupid and buying non-protected 750mAh CR2's.
 

Pete54

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 30, 2009
2,637
3,412
Clearwater, Florida
Anyone have any pictures of them sitting side by side the green Cr2's we get from deal extreme or any exact dimensional specs? I'm trying to determine if they are longer or shorter ?
I'm 99% sure they are the same dimension. There is no chip involved in them the safety is just from the different chemistry.
 

cmdrmaxwell

Super Member
ECF Veteran
Jul 19, 2009
398
4
The "great place" Ft Hood
I'm thinking about getting stupid and buying non-protected 750mAh CR2's.

I know I'm going to catch hell for saying this, but I have been using the CR2 600mah green ultrafires in my BB for 4 days now with no probs. I'm taking it slow and careful but they are alot better than the disposables at 6V. and if my BB or batteries go BOOM I will have no one to blame but ME and not altsmoke!:D
 

Pete54

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 30, 2009
2,637
3,412
Clearwater, Florida
I know I'm going to catch hell for saying this, but I have been using the CR2 600mah green ultrafires in my BB for 4 days now with no probs. I'm taking it slow and careful but they are alot better than the disposables at 6V. and if my BB or batteries go BOOM I will have no one to blame but ME and not altsmoke!:D
I know that the BB has a vent at the switch but I'm thinking about drilling vent hole into the bottom. It would be pretty easy to do and I think I would feel a bit safer using unprotected batts.
 

Pete54

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Verified Member
Oct 30, 2009
2,637
3,412
Clearwater, Florida
My two sets that I have of these have gotten stronger everytime I have used them and charged them. IDK why, but they have seemed too at least.

At first one of my sets drained super fast, but after the 2ed round on the charger they lasted a long time between charge.
I've seen that also on just the second charge. :thumbs:
 

Zofryer

Ultra Member
ECF Veteran
Jun 4, 2009
1,221
9
Near DC
zofryer.com
Honestly?

Your audience is the thousands of CR2 users using the regular green CR2's that have had ZERO problems to date. Me, over seven months. If you have a compelling argument as to why I should spend double for something that delivers half the mAH, make that argument. Otherwise, I'll keep leaning on the 6 sets of CR2's I've been using forever.

Thank You
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Users who are viewing this thread