Crazy amount of new gear being released

[Mazinny]

I wonder how many of these new products would have made it into production if not for the 8/8 deadline in the U.S. Seems they rushed to make a prototype of everything their designers were working on, just in case. Some really bizarre looking products. Don't even know what some of them are suppposed to be.

 

[I'mnotZak]

POSERS like this

Why attack and call me a poser?

 

[Eskie]

I wonder how many of these new products would have made it into production if not for the 8/8 deadline in the U.S. Seems they rushed to make a prototype of everything their designers were working on, just in case. Some really bizarre looking products. Don't even know what some of them are suppposed to be.

When I saw the pink K-Air at the top, my first thought was "oh a pregnancy test".

 

[PaulBHC]

Another PEZ dispenser

 

[Eskie]

Another PEZ dispenser

That was my second reaction

And what is that Wakizashi? Reminds me of a modular shelving system.

 

[Ed_C]

Another PEZ dispenser

....and I thought that they were supposed to stop marketing to kids. (j/k don't yell at me)

 

[Mazinny]

When I saw the pink K-Air at the top, my first thought was "oh a pregnancy test".

Another PEZ dispenser

I think the flip-top just covers the mouthpiece !? Flip it open to vape. Perhaps an all in one piece, with this tank on top !? It may be something like the juul except bigger.
http://kanger-tech.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/air-tank-1.jpg

 

[Ed_C]

That was my second reaction

And what is that Wakizashi? Reminds me of a modular shelving system.

The wakizashi (Kanji: 脇差 Hiragana: わきざし) meaning "side inserted [sword]" is one of the traditionally made Japanese swords worn by the samurai class in feudal Japan.

 

[Eskie]

The wakizashi (Kanji: 脇差 Hiragana: わきざし) meaning "side inserted [sword]" is one of the traditionally made Japanese swords worn by the samurai class in feudal Japan.

It looks like an extruded aluminum case for something. Just not vape related. And why did a Chinese company choose a Japanese sword as a name?

 

[kbeam418]

No One said Stockpiling was a Solution.

But just like wearing a seatbelt Doesn't prevent an accident, it Does prepare one for the Eventuality of an Accident if one does Occur.

I'm Not Sure why one can not be an Active Advocate who contacts their Reps and tries to get Retailers to carry the message while at the Same time having become Self-Sufficient with e-Liquid/Hardware?

And whereas I would Love to see some New Party Representation in the Senate for the State I live in, my choices are somewhat Narrow. And my Choice of Party is Non-Existent.

Well do both. My point is, and I hear it all the time in shops, is stock pile (I'm doing the same thing) but the war is certainly not over. We're so used to having our freedom but sometimes we actually have to fight for them. Look at prohibition, sure it lasted 13 years but it was overturned. Same thing will happen with vaping.

 

[GemInEye]

Can't speak for Others.

But for Myself, I stocked up because I fear my State more than I Fear the FDA right now.

With the FDA, I pretty much understand where we are Heading. But here is a Question to You. Say your State has a Nov 8th 2016 Ballot Initiative that would put an Additional $2 Tax on a pack of Cigarettes?

Not exactly Fair for Smokers. But it doesn't effect Vapers. Right?

But here's the Rub. That $2.00 Additional Tax is going to be Equivalently placed on All Tobacco Products sold in CA. And guess what? e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids were Defined to be "Tobacco Products" earlier this year. In a Law that Many said wouldn't matter.

So... How Exactly are they going to Equate this Tax, if it Passes, to e-Cigarettes and e-Liquids?

Not sure if you were around in the Beginning when OEM's touted that a .7ml Pre-Filled Cart was Equiviant to a Pack of Cigarettes? But they Did. And we All Laughed about it.

But Many are NOT Laughing now.

Because if some Government Pin Head decides that .7ml is Equivalent to a Pack of Smoking, and sets the Assessment as $2.00/.7ml of e-Liquid, that would make PA's Floor Tax look like Chump Change.

So Yeah.... It isn't just the FDA that some people are Thinking about when it comes to Stocking Up.

They might do like PA...which added a +2.00 tax on cigs per pack then added a 40% wholsale tax and floor tax on vapes tore owners and made it retroactive. Then added a 40% tax on thos who purchase anything vape related in PA. Anyone who purchases out of state must show recipt of having paid the proper taxes and those selling to PA from out of state must have a license from PA. They could do something like that.

 

[Mazinny]

E-cigarette makers rush new products to market ahead of US rules | Fox News

 

[sofarsogood]

They might do like PA...which added a +2.00 tax on cigs per pack then added a 40% wholsale tax and floor tax on vapes tore owners and made it retroactive. Then added a 40% tax on thos who purchase anything vape related in PA. Anyone who purchases out of state must show recipt of having paid the proper taxes and those selling to PA from out of state must have a license from PA. They could do something like that.

A 40% tax on a $50 bottle of nic is trivial compared to the cigarettes it replaces. If you buy right and only what you need the tax is irrelevent. The cost advantage of ecigs is staggering,

 

[Talethor]

Well do both. My point is, and I hear it all the time in shops, is stock pile (I'm doing the same thing) but the war is certainly not over. We're so used to having our freedom but sometimes we actually have to fight for them. Look at prohibition, sure it lasted 13 years but it was overturned. Same thing will happen with vaping.

Your right about that people will just machine their own mods and make ejuice in their bath tub. Accidents and injuries will go up and it will be made legal again if the worst happens. that's what I am hoping for.

 

[kbeam418]

Your right about that people will just machine their own mods and make ejuice in their bath tub. Accidents and injuries will go up and it will be made legal again if the worst happens. that's what I am hoping for.

I don't hope injuries will happen but I hope people start getting arrested and go to the supreme court and the media. I'm off of nicotine so I can keep vaping without having to stockpile. That's been my master plan since the FDA regs came into affect, I plan on buying around 500 ml of 100 mg just in case. I've got enough mods to last me a lifetime and I'm getting my apprenticeship in electrical so I should (in theory) be able to fix any issues that will come up. I'll be vaping in 2018.

 

[beckdg]

A 40% tax on a $50 bottle of nic is trivial compared to the cigarettes it replaces. If you buy right and only what you need the tax is irrelevent. The cost advantage of ecigs is staggering,

I apologize for not having read through the actual legislation.

But!

If what was posted was right, that 40% tax is twice.

So $50 bottle to retailer = $70.

Without retailer markup, that $70.00 bottle to consumer = $98.

Assuming a general 20% markup.

Before taxes...
$50 to retailer
$60 to consumer

After taxes...
$50 before wholesale tax
$70 to retailer
$84 after markup
$117.60 to consumer

Plus normal state and local tax. Around 7% in PA.

Tapatyped

 

[Verb]

A 40% tax on a $50 bottle of nic is trivial compared to the cigarettes it replaces. If you buy right and only what you need the tax is irrelevent. The cost advantage of ecigs is staggering,

Nicotine base is not necessarily taxed. If it's purchased from a "vape shop", B&M or online, it is. But, any item that is not marketed vape specific or has other uses and is not purchased from a "vape shop" is not taxed as a tobacco product.

I quote vape shop, because that is the official term the PA DoR representative used on the phone when I called.

Also, It's illegal to apply a tax in PA in this manner.

 

[beckdg]

Also, It's illegal to apply a tax in PA in this manner.

Not following.

Please explain.

Tapatyped

 

[Verb]

Not following.

Please explain.

Tapatyped

They are applying the tax to goods based on where they are sold and not what they are. Resistance wire, loose batteries, cotton, nicotine, o-rings, screws, VG, and even water are taxable OTP if sold in a "vape shop" but not if they are sold at another retailer. Lowes also does not need an OTP retail license to sell them, but a vape shop does. Walgreen's and the like are in an even stranger spot, they have an OTP retail license, sell vapor products that are taxed, but sell some of the same items as untaxed non-tobacco products that "vape shops" are required to tax. A suit based on this violation has already been filed by a PA based company that is both a wholesale distributor and retailer.

There are other issues, but not necessarily illegal. These issues are good ammo for defense if the DoR takes action against an individual, but not something that can get the law struck down directly. The DoR is not implementing the law that was passed. They have messaged the implementation to what they wanted it to be, not what is written into law. The law offers no exemption to pharmaceuticals or plant medicine, but DoR is giving them a pass without going to the effort of updating the legislation. Out-of-state retailers are being told they need to have an OTP retail license and need to remit both OTP excise and use tax directly to the state of PA. They don't, but DoR can lie and lead them to believe they do. The law actually places the responsibly on the in state consumer. The DoR is telling out-of-state retailers that are not wholesalers, they are to apply the OTP tax to the retail price. The law as passed specifically states the tax is applied to the wholesale cost.

 

[beckdg]

Also, It's illegal to apply a tax in PA in this manner.

So this^^^^^

They are applying the tax to goods based on where they are sold and not what they are. Resistance wire, loose batteries, cotton, nicotine, o-rings, screws, VG, and even water are taxable OTP if sold in a "vape shop" but not if they are sold at another retailer. Lowes also does not need an OTP retail license to sell them, but a vape shop does. Walgreen's and the like are in an even stranger spot, they have an OTP retail license, sell vapor products that are taxed, but sell some of the same items as untaxed non-tobacco products that "vape shops" are required to tax. A suit based on this violation has already been filed by a PA based company that is both a wholesale distributor and retailer.

There are other issues, but not necessarily illegal. These issues are good ammo for defense if the DoR takes action against an individual, but not something that can get the law struck down directly. The DoR is not implementing the law that was passed. They have messaged the implementation to what they wanted it to be, not what is written into law. The law offers no exemption to pharmaceuticals or plant medicine, but DoR is giving them a pass without going to the effort of updating the legislation. Out-of-state retailers are being told they need to have an OTP retail license and need to remit both OTP excise and use tax directly to the state of PA. They don't, but DoR can lie and lead them to believe they do. The law actually places the responsibly on the in state consumer. The DoR is telling out-of-state retailers that are not wholesalers, they are to apply the OTP tax to the retail price. The law as passed specifically states the tax is applied to the wholesale cost.

Refers to taxation based on location of sale vs. by commodity?

Tapatyped