Cyborg - ProVari Killer?
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The funny thing is you guys don't even understand the half of it. After we calculate the materials cost, we get to take into account the business side of the equation.
Typical retail markup is 100%. So if you are at $100 in costs per unit (guaranteed to be on the low side for this mod, unless you naively don't take into account the man hours involved in making it happen), you are already at $200 retail.
Typical retail markup is 100%. So if you are at $100 in costs per unit (guaranteed to be on the low side for this mod, unless you naively don't take into account the man hours involved in making it happen), you are already at $200 retail.
no one has said a word about them pricing it too high, just that using aluminum instead of stainless makes it not worth the price. how many times must we say this before you understand
Is that what you said, sawlight?Materials choice between aluminum and stainless makes a few dollar difference in intrinsic value. Your attempting to prove your point by tallying costs is fail.
so what your saying is they could have made it out of stainless and it would have barely cost any more and would have made the device 200% better? explain where i failed please, because to me it looks like they failed
Materials choice between aluminum and stainless makes a few dollar difference in intrinsic value. Your attempting to prove your point by tallying costs is fail.
Yup! I see no point in making this, in this price range, out of anything less than SS! My Provari has the scars to prove this point! Once it's programed and operating, there really is little difference in manufacturing costs to go to SS. Yes, a higher cost in material and about 1 1/2 time on the machine, but we aren't talking Titanium and having to go with all carbide tooling.
You said the only reason you can't make one for me for $30 is because you are lazy?
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And to further the point, I guess? Not everyone has acess to the equipment I do, but IF you are going to manufacture these, you'd better, and you'd better be ready to be competitive in that price class!
Yes, I priced the tube with profit for the manufacture in mind, I've known the man a long time, I'm pretty good at knowing what's what anymore!
lol way to filter out the rest of his post. he clearly told you it is not worth his time to make this thing out of anything less than stainless.
do you still not get the point? this device is not worth the money until they make it all stainless, that is all we are trying to say
Well wait a second, earlier bfrie claimed "anyone with a DNA chip" could make one of these mods for $100. I know that's not fair, he's out of his league in this discussion.
Aluminum as a body material is fine in this price class. Provaris aren't the only device that sells. And it's not like stainless is a no-brainer either. Many people find aluminum preferable for a device they will be pocketing all day, myself included.
PM me when you have a chance, I would like to look into your machining services.
Materials choice between aluminum and stainless makes a few dollar difference in intrinsic value. Your attempting to prove your point by tallying costs is fail.
Nice twist!
Lazy, broken, crippled, I guess however you care to slice it. Break your back and we can talk about it some more. But either way, I'm still not writing a program for a 7 axis lathe for a one off part!
I don't think the Good Dr. is thinking about that if a shop only does a One-Up, then Cost goes into making that 1 Part. But if they are doing Production, then costs get spread out over All the Parts.
I just got doing some Code for a Injection Mold Maker. Lots of 3D. Lots of Small Details. All of it is Very Tight Tolerance and High Finish Requirements.
A Die set may set him back $2,000 in my Programming Alone. But that Die Set will make at Minimum of 250,000 parts a Month under a 1 Year P.O.
All I'm going to say is this. For anyone who has actually tried to bring a product to market, you know that the analyses in this thread, both by completely clueless people and those only involved in one area of manufacturing are basically insulting.
If you can bring a better mod to market, do it. It's easy to throw rocks from the sidelines, not having to risk your own neck. Have a little respect for the people in our industry that are making things happen.
If you can bring a better mod to market, do it. It's easy to throw rocks from the sidelines, not having to risk your own neck. Have a little respect for the people in our industry that are making things happen.
Do you think the capital to finance that purchase order is free?
Do you think this mod is leveraging that kind of scale? What scale do you think it is leveraging?
The excuses piled up quick. Stephen Hawking could program a cnc mill. Point is it's not worth your time for $30, obviously, and anyone who isn't a minimum-wage earning child knows this.
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Agreed. Have FUN with it, people. After all, does anyone REALLY care what someone else does with their time or money.
Decaf.
yes, anyone with a dna20 chip could make an aluminum tube mod for under $100
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