FDA "Deeming Regulations" Simplified
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Thank you Kevin for hosting this round-table discussion. I hope some of the "nay-sayers" on ECF take the time to listen to this explanation of how bad these regulations are and every ECF member becomes active in supporting both CASAA and the American vaping Association.
The summation of this rather long roundtable is something I have thought for a long while. In the end, if all else fails, litigation will be our last resort. In that time, this market is going to explode. 2 billion last year, is that the number getting tossed around? I can see it easily tripling. We need to start pressuring our vendors to make donations, to support the greater cause with education, media presence, whatever tools are available, and to those who don't or won't, boycott. An investment now can only help insure a healthy, free, OPEN industry in the future. While the cops have shown up to the party, they don't have a warrant. They are asking us for one. Let's not give it to them, and to anyone who thinks it's okay, give them the boot.
I've listened and learned! Thank you Kevin for having such a great round table, I thoroughly enjoyed this informative talk. I'll definitely be waiting for the "Call to Action" and will alert my fellow vaperers!!
Why can't you load this to YouTube?
Can't get to work on iPad, and mobile app doesn't work. Kinda disappointed. Soundcloud sucks.
Okay, now see, if youd asked that before you accused him of being a cult leader wed all know. If you go to about 1:10:00 in the recording you will get a blurry version of the answer. I would like to understand the number a bit better also. Think what could have been if they charged that much for Chantix and actually did the research. They wouldnt be facing this https://www.google.com/search?q=Cha...id=chrome&es_sm=93&ie=UTF-8#q=Chantix&tbm=nws
Dont think an ecig has caused anyone to commit murder.
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I believe it was the House Energy and Commerce Committee, chaired by Fred Upton (from Michigan). I didn't catch the two sub-committee chair names, but they were both from PA.
I think the opposite myself. At least for legitimate businesses as we know them today. The backbone of this industry for people like us here on ECF (mid to upper level vaping consumers), would be the multitude of small online e-tailers and mom and pop B&M's. And were I them, the last thing I'd be doing right now is looking to expand or investing more money into an infrastructure that may soon be deemed obsolete. The FDA admits as much in their economic impact synopsis.
You're going to see a lot of these people over the next 4 years scurrying for some fast profits with what they have now, but very little by way of innovation.
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You are more optimistic than I am. I figure we have about a year maybe a year and a half before we start seeing massive shutdowns of the shops we love. Probably many are formulating their exit plans now and trying to estimate how long they can keep going full tilt before they need to begin focusing on selling off their stock and exiting the market. That is assuming they even have a clue what is going on.
Almost finished listening..
Thank you for providing a link as well as all of you taking the time to get together to do this..
This is such a help
Thank you for providing a link as well as all of you taking the time to get together to do this..
This is such a help
Shutting down prematurely would be a dumb idea..
This battle is going to wage on a lot longer as the lawsuits come rolling in...
Besides, even when a vape shop might close up, odds are the owner will simply inject the inventory into the underground market...
No not necessarily dumb if it means you get out while still in the black financially. ANY good businessperson has a carefully constructed exit plan. I am betting alot of those plans are getting dusted off and revised right about now.
Yup, and based on what I just read on the other thread, the OMB knows it. In a nutshell, they know they're handing the industry to BT and shutting down everyone else including imports.
I really don't see demand dropping off just prior to any regulations going into effect..
If anything, it will be just the opposite..
And any good businessperson would take full advantage of the situation...
I don't think demand will drop off, but business owners are going to need to be thinking about the cost and time for filing new product applications, along with what's going on with pending lawsuits (if there are any applicable to their business situation) and decide what makes sense for them. I think that for the ones that are aware, this will affect how they think about their future business plans to some extent.
If you haven't already, this thread - and the document link in the first post - are worth checking out: http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/fda-regulations/557605-economic-impact-analysis.html#post12996985
If they are forced to close up, you better believe they'll be keeping their doors open until 11:59pm..
And again, if on the off-chance they still have any inventory left over, it will be finding its way onto the black market...
The more I think about it, the less comfortable I am with the idea of it going black market, and that somehow that's a solution (of sorts).
Well Bill Godshall using your show as a political platform, talking over everyone and arguing with callers certainly was less than desirable. Good information to be had there if you can manage to slog through the BS.
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