Desperately need help ! Unvapable DIY juice... Tried everything I think in the past 6 months
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Making an Unflavored batch at the Nicotine Level that you Normally vape is the FIRST THING Anyone should do when they receive New Nicotine Base.
You have to know that the Nicotine Base tastes OK before you start to do any Recipes'.
It's like if you bought a Bottle of Rut Gut Tequila. If the Tequila tastes like Gasoline, wouldn't every drink you make with it Taste Bad no matter how you Mixed it? Or what you used to Mix with?
If your Nicotine Base, PG and VG are OK and relatively Tasteless, then you are Good to Go. And if you Do a Recipe' and it tastes Harsh, you can Rule Out that it was coming from the Nicotine.
So then you Look at things like How Much Nicotine is actually in your Mix? Or How Much Flavoring you are using?
Note: It's Much Easier and Less Confusing to work with things when you work in mg/ml for Nicotine than it is to work with Nicotine as a Percentage of 1000.
Note 2: When you get New Nicotine Base, and want to Taste Test it by diluting it down to a Vapable mg/ml level, you Don't need to Mix it and then let it "Steep" or sit for awhile. Just Mix it down to a Vapable Level and Vape it.
"Steeping" is Only needed when Flavorings (or some Sweeteners) is used.
Note 3: Be sure to keep Detail and Accurate Notes on everything you Mix. Or if you Change a Recipe after it has "Steeped" by adding or subtracting something.
The Worst is when you get something that Tastes Great but you Can't remember if you Added more Strawberry and Less Peach? Or was it the Other way around?
You'll get this Straighten Out. And I predict that you will have some Nice Flavored e-liquids in less than 2 Weeks.
Not really. Many can’t drink gin straight due to its taste, mix it into a Gin Gin Mule, and it becomes completely different (simple example). Same can be said with many spirits including Rut Gut Tequila. But I understand the point you were trying to make.
I think the OP needs to verify the strength of their nicotine. As mentioned, laws within Canada prohibit the sale of 100mg/ml. Should he have acquired nic base at this strength, it is most likely old stock which could mean expired. But I find that hard to believe with Dashvapes.
Most Definitely could be Old Stock. Or some New Stock Nicotine Base that just Doesn't Taste Good.
The Long and the Short of it if his 3mg/ml Unflavored Mix doesn't taste Smooth, and Relatively Tasteless, then it might not matter what the Nicotine Base is. Because it might be Best to just Toss that Nicotine Base and start again with a New Order. Form a New Vendor.
I can positively say you entered something wrong, the calculator uses what you enter period. TFA juicy peach is known for being harsh, try it at 1-2%.
BTW - Another things that is Possible, but probably Less Likely, is the OP somehow has received some "Hot Spot" or Mislabeled Nicotine base that has a Higher nicotine level than what the Label says it is.
BTW2 - I drank for a Long Time. Finally gave it Up. But in my Drinking Days, there was Only One Thing I would Never Drink. And that was Gin.
In my mind, the Only thing Gin was good for was Starting a Fire when camping. And Gasoline works Better than Gin. And it Tastes Better too.
The hot spot actually makes sense. Shake that nic and when done, shake it again!!
As for purchasing new nic base – again our laws make this a challenge if purchasing outside the country. We do have many DIY vendors, however the majority require a sizable minimum purchase before you qualify for free shipping. Not a problem if bundled with other purchases, but just buying nic base on its own could be an expensive option.
I’ve only used Dashvapes nic base – I know it does not help with the OP’s case, but never had a problem with them.
BTW2 - I drank for a Long Time. Finally gave it Up. But in my Drinking Days, there was Only One Thing I would Never Drink. And that was Gin.
In my mind, the Only thing Gin was good for was Starting a Fire when camping. And Gasoline works Better than Gin. And it Tastes Better too.
LOL! I am not a fan of Gin on its own. However, some of my favorite cocktails are gin based. The Gin Gin Mule is mighty tasty!
Just curious.
But what would a 125ml Bottle of 65mg/ml Nicotine Base cost with standard shipping for a Canadian from a Canadian vendor?
120ml of 65mg/ml (PG or VG based) from Dashvapes is $24.99. DV has the lowest free shipping qualifier at $35 – the rest are on average $100. And failing that it is usually $10 for shipping
I am unclear on the Canadian laws for importing nic into to the country. But there have been reports here on ECF of Canadian members having their juice confiscated by customs because of the nic exceeding what ever the limit is. Even if within the limit, you are still at the mercy of customs.
Um I'm going to go with like the easiest, most likely approach and I'm afraid OP, gien that you are the common variable.... It's you.
I do not mean that in any MEAN way at all, but I feel you may have bitten off a bit more than you can chew. From what I'm seeing it's still not clear how much nic you actually HAVE (at least some of the time) and you are going WAY too fast.
First, get some one shots. There are some very nice ones out there. Start by mixing them at 10%, they will be less likely to be harsh, If you need to, bump up the flavoring if it's not enough (it may Totally be enough.) If you are sensitive to harshness most One shots are shake and vape but in my opinion many benefit from a few days steeping.
At this point you have two options: follow someone else's recipe (has its pros and cons) and START SMALL.
Or, you can test your flavors as single flavors and some HAVE to steep, to see which ones are giving you grief at too high a percentage. I did that to start out an it paid in dividends . If I have a new "weird" flavor, I still TOTALLY test it out on its own to figure out tis secrets (usually.)
I too have the propensity to over mix, but my fails tend to be less these days. DIY kind of builds on itself.
But the approach you are using now is not working, not even a little bit.
Good luck, I am confident you can get this sorted out but slow down! You really have to you are WASTING ingredients at this point.
Anan
I do not mean that in any MEAN way at all, but I feel you may have bitten off a bit more than you can chew. From what I'm seeing it's still not clear how much nic you actually HAVE (at least some of the time) and you are going WAY too fast.
First, get some one shots. There are some very nice ones out there. Start by mixing them at 10%, they will be less likely to be harsh, If you need to, bump up the flavoring if it's not enough (it may Totally be enough.) If you are sensitive to harshness most One shots are shake and vape but in my opinion many benefit from a few days steeping.
At this point you have two options: follow someone else's recipe (has its pros and cons) and START SMALL.
Or, you can test your flavors as single flavors and some HAVE to steep, to see which ones are giving you grief at too high a percentage. I did that to start out an it paid in dividends . If I have a new "weird" flavor, I still TOTALLY test it out on its own to figure out tis secrets (usually.)
I too have the propensity to over mix, but my fails tend to be less these days. DIY kind of builds on itself.
But the approach you are using now is not working, not even a little bit.
Good luck, I am confident you can get this sorted out but slow down! You really have to you are WASTING ingredients at this point.
Anan
Even with $10 Shipping, that's really Not that bad.
And $35 is easy to get to with a couple of Flavors and a maybe a handful of Empty Bottles to put Mixes in.
Never heard of this retailer until you mentioned it. Looking at their website, they do list 100mg/ml nic. The law prohibiting sales over 65mg/ml came into place late last summer. That is not to say what you have purchased from them is bad, or expired, but it is something to think about.
Dashvapes is a ISO certified lab that make e-juice for many North American brand names. Again, this does not void them of any mishaps, but their nicotine will be constantly replenished ensuring freshness. I have seen a number of times them being out of stock on their web site.
First of all, thank you very much everyone for your answers and I need to admit I was joking when I said I was about to go back to smoking... I mean, I've quit smoking more than 3 years ago, when I began to vape exclusively. Since then, I've been trying many different things in the "wonderful vaping unicorn world"! That said, I'm far from being an expert but I'm not a newbie either.
I'm going to try to reply your different answers, many good advices in there, I can see. Obviously, I didn't mention everything I tried in that long thread I posted this morning.
Of course I tried smaller batches of 10ml
Also tried every flavors seperatly with a 70VG / 30PG ratio
But anyway, I'll reply individually to your different suggestions now!
I'm going to try to reply your different answers, many good advices in there, I can see. Obviously, I didn't mention everything I tried in that long thread I posted this morning.
Of course I tried smaller batches of 10ml
Also tried every flavors seperatly with a 70VG / 30PG ratio
But anyway, I'll reply individually to your different suggestions now!
That's my next step, but I'll need to find a new provider because I don't think DashVapes sells one shots!
Thank you for your comments, rosesense! Well, I've mixed smaller batches, tried with and without nicotine, with and without flavoring. Problem happens only when there is nicotine, even the smallest amount (under 2mg/ml)
About the sensitivity, the only time I bought harsh commercial juice was from VapeWild. For some reason even at 3mg/ml, their juice was unvapable for me in some case. Otherwise, I probably tried a few dozens of them and never had sensitivity problems
No! I won't really go back to smoking! Ever! Yes, I will keep experimenting!
I am not sure I can link this here but I will give it a go. Good info about why some liquids are harsh.
Why is My Ejuice Harsh? (Updated) – DIY OR DIE Vaping
Check out the list of flavorings that are specifically harsh (on the link). I think that may be the problem. Some of Vapewild does that for me but most of theirs are smooth and non irritating. Must be certain flavorings.
Why is My Ejuice Harsh? (Updated) – DIY OR DIE Vaping
Check out the list of flavorings that are specifically harsh (on the link). I think that may be the problem. Some of Vapewild does that for me but most of theirs are smooth and non irritating. Must be certain flavorings.
Trying to order from E-cigsupply.ca was a desperate move and I realised that DashVapes nicotine wasn't the problem. It's always clear, it doesn't smell or taste peppery and the date of manufacture is always writen on the bottle. Always within 1-2 week before I receive it.
I'll probly stick with DashVapes...
Thanks again, rosesense, I already read that post and many others. I'm keeping away from acetoin, flavoring that contains alcohol or diacetyl. Tried my recipes without nicotine and they are just fine, no harshness at all. So non of these are the problem!
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