You roll it until you come up with the three choices.
You have to be one with the matix, Neo.
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You have to be one with the matix, Neo.
Basically the terminology is wrong. And that's only because we can't predict the future. Terminology has to evolve too.
If I were to build a logic tree for PV types...I would start with "has electronics?" yes/no branches. So all mech mods would be on one branch and all the other mods on another branch including cig-a-likes. The next branch on the electronics sub-tree would be "removable battery?" yes/no?
Remember that size, mAh and shape are just a matter of current battery technology. So referring to "big battery" is doomed in a future where battery tech is 10x better. It's perfectly possible to imagine a cig-a-like with what is now a 1000 mAh battery ...AKA...eGo cig-a-like at 3.3/3.4 volts and 1000 mAh all in super-mini size. We just need new battery tech. (could be swappable too).
So it's the feature set that has to distinguish. And "having a removable battery" is so common...in everything from watches to whatever, that I don't see it as the first branch. Every PV style has a version with a removable battery...with the possible exception of cig-a-likes. So I don't see it as the first defining characteristic.
Glad to know my watch is advanced....just because I can change the battery.
Watch types are...mechanical or digital as a first category. The mechanical ones you wind. The digital ones have electronics and a battery.
We even jokingly call cigarettes "analogs". Yet a Mech has no "digital" anything unless there's a protection PCB on the battery.
Nah. To me, the 1st defining characteristic is the fact that there is a processor of some type. Because that has broad implications as to all the next choices.
I agree about the battery technology. Inevitably it'll change and our jargon will have to change with it. However, I think the "advanced" in advanced personal vaporizer has more to do with the knowledge required by the user to use the device than it does to the technology used by the device itself. Either way, it seems that APV is a fairly general moniker for classifying PVs. Most people are likely to use cigalike, eGo, mech, and regulated when they want to get more specific.
APV is just a politically correct way of saying MOD, nothing more. So a rose by any other name is still just another rose.
My Provari Mini is not a MOD or an APV, it's a Provari Mini. My Reo Mini 2.0 is not a MOD or an APV, it's a Reo Mini 2.0. My Silver Bullet is not a ................. Get the picture?
My Provari Mini is not a MOD or an APV, it's a Provari Mini. My Reo Mini 2.0 is not a MOD or an APV, it's a Reo Mini 2.0. My Silver Bullet is not a ................. Get the picture?
No. Because all that does is move the target, not define it.
So, I'll bite. Define "Mod".
Although I find that interesting, IDK if you can say the knowledge required to use something is advanced unless you define the use.
For example, SLR can be done on Mechs much more easily than non-mechs, yet, it's advanced knowledge no matter what device you put it on...removable battery or no.
OTOH, how much advanced knowledge is required to put a 2.0 ohm carto on any PV and press a button...regardless of features or type of the PV?
So is it the feature use (like setting VV or VW) that makes it an APV? Or is it the type of use it's put to? And almost any PV can be put to an "advanced use"....which often depends on the delivery device.
No. Because all that does is move the target, not define it.
So, I'll bite. Define "Mod".
This is NOT a "mod" (or an APV), it's a "Zen-2 DX-490"
Think about it. When someone asks you what they should try, do you tell them to try a "Mod" or an "APV", or do you tell them to try a Vamo, or a Reo, or an ego? All of these devices already have names, we don't really need to make up new ones for them.
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This is NOT a "mod" (or an APV), it's a "Zen-2 DX-490"
Ummm....no, that's a wooden duck carving.......with some metal tube beside it.
The way I see it...
Mods were the first PVs/ Mech Mods that could run on larger separate 3.7 V rechargeable batteries. Early ones were made from modified flashlight tubes.
APV came along and to me they were also "Mods' but had "advanced features" (voltage adjustment, battery/ ohms measurement, etc).
I guess no one ever envisioned PVs getting to this stage IMO.
Spinners, Twist, Winders seem to be in no man's land
RBAs took Mech Mods to an entirely diff level.
Mods were the first PVs/ Mech Mods that could run on larger separate 3.7 V rechargeable batteries. Early ones were made from modified flashlight tubes.
APV came along and to me they were also "Mods' but had "advanced features" (voltage adjustment, battery/ ohms measurement, etc).
I guess no one ever envisioned PVs getting to this stage IMO.
Spinners, Twist, Winders seem to be in no man's land
RBAs took Mech Mods to an entirely diff level.
No. Because all that does is move the target, not define it.
So, I'll bite. Define "Mod".
Mod example to me...
Taking a flashlight or a battery box and modifying it into a PV = mod
You modified the original item to your needs.
APV...built to be that way.
All good points...for which I don't have any concrete answers. I don't think the community has really put a lot of thought into pinning down the definition before to be honest.
Now THAT makes sense. "Mod" in the true sense of the word.
However, that would mean each one is unique and not mass produced or even serialized slightly customized limited editions of a particular PV. It would be more DIY type of stuff.
So in that case, MOD <> APV.
Ummm....no, that's a wooden duck carving.......with some metal tube beside it.
Actually it's a LAMP
I think anything that requires an advanced knowledge of the science behind e-cigs qualifies as an APV.
Even regulated mods require users to know and understand the myriad of different battery sizes, chemistries and capacity. Those with variable voltage and/or variable wattage require the user to know the relationship between ohms, volts, watts and amps. Or, the user who does understand the relationship gets better satisfaction because of that knowledge.
Mechanical systems usually require users to understand how to build a coil, because mechanical systems rarely reach their peak capability without being paired with some type of rebuildable atomizer system. That, in turn, requires the user to understand what types of wire and wicking materials to buy. It also requires him/her to own certain pieces of equipment than non-APV users don't need.
In short, it's not the capabilities or physical characteristics that differential APV's from Ego and cig-alike systems. It's the advanced knowledge that the user needs in order to operate the system safely and effectively.
Even regulated mods require users to know and understand the myriad of different battery sizes, chemistries and capacity. Those with variable voltage and/or variable wattage require the user to know the relationship between ohms, volts, watts and amps. Or, the user who does understand the relationship gets better satisfaction because of that knowledge.
Mechanical systems usually require users to understand how to build a coil, because mechanical systems rarely reach their peak capability without being paired with some type of rebuildable atomizer system. That, in turn, requires the user to understand what types of wire and wicking materials to buy. It also requires him/her to own certain pieces of equipment than non-APV users don't need.
In short, it's not the capabilities or physical characteristics that differential APV's from Ego and cig-alike systems. It's the advanced knowledge that the user needs in order to operate the system safely and effectively.
I am in a year now and I have seen terms change too. There was a time when mod to me was anything bigger than a stick ego that had replaceable batteries and options. AKA Provari.
This might be down a side road for this post, but I have noticed that the term "Juice" has/is being replaced by "e liquid". And that is just fine with me. It is hard to talk seriously about my E-cig thingy when I have to say 'juice'.
This might be down a side road for this post, but I have noticed that the term "Juice" has/is being replaced by "e liquid". And that is just fine with me. It is hard to talk seriously about my E-cig thingy when I have to say 'juice'.
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