Dimitri Goes Off on Rant About Dishonest Liquid Vendors
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It's always funny to me how disgusted by "pink slime" people are, as if humans haven't been eating sausages for a couple thousand years. It's really just a highly efficient form of sausage.
Well it was just an answer to the previous videos showing how Evil BT uses "disgusting" ingredients and ammonia to make cigarettes. Guess what, the food industry does exactly that too. Where's FDA with their age limits and sick graphic warnings?
Some pharmaceuticals were causing some major internal damage even after testing said that they were safe. I'll use Cortisone as an example because I have first had knowledge about the massive doses that were being given out in the early 1960's. You may have read that President Kennedy was on massive doses for his Addison's disease..My father was also prescribed oral Cortisone for his Psoriasis.Ended up shutting his kidneys down and he passed away in '69.
Independent testing on what we are vaping isn't such a bad idea,..if the suppliers disclose who did the testing and the results of those tests. Full disclosure and that just may mean a price increase of some of our favorites. Doesn't really matter because we are soon going to be paying $1 a milliliter after all is said and done imo.
Independent testing on what we are vaping isn't such a bad idea,..if the suppliers disclose who did the testing and the results of those tests. Full disclosure and that just may mean a price increase of some of our favorites. Doesn't really matter because we are soon going to be paying $1 a milliliter after all is said and done imo.
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It would be interesting to hear what coronors have to say about all this. If anyone would know it would be them. I haven't heard a peep.
It's been pc these days for governments to advertise the harmful effects of smoking by displaying pictures of damaged lungs from deceased people who smoked. I'm pretty sure most people have seen these images.
As it is i haven't seen any similar images related to vaping being displayed by anyone.
The evidence that has been provided to the global community about the harm that is caused by smoking is overwhelming and has become fundamentally understood as the results from smoking tobacco. The images are very graphic, the adverts are very memorable. There is no doubt about the damage smoking causes.
Where are the government health warnings for e liquids ?. Where are the graphic images of vital organs damaged by the use of e liquids ?. I would expect the same kind of negative advertising for vaping as tobacco gets. I'm not seeing that. I haven't seen anything of the kind. What is happening is that there are a lot of people, i mean a whole load of people, who are talking about it, but that's all, just talking, talking talking talking, and yes.....more talking, but no physical evidence such as that which could be provided by a coroner, a coroners report would do !.
I want to see images of the damage that is done to a vapers lungs. The same kind of images that we are shown on tv and, in the uk, on cigarette packets. If the kind of damage which is caused by vaping isn't as visable as the damage caused by smoking is then i'd appreciate and respect the findings of whatever evidence a coroner can provide.
If there were any evidence, i have absolutely no doubt we would have seen this before now.
It's been pc these days for governments to advertise the harmful effects of smoking by displaying pictures of damaged lungs from deceased people who smoked. I'm pretty sure most people have seen these images.
As it is i haven't seen any similar images related to vaping being displayed by anyone.
The evidence that has been provided to the global community about the harm that is caused by smoking is overwhelming and has become fundamentally understood as the results from smoking tobacco. The images are very graphic, the adverts are very memorable. There is no doubt about the damage smoking causes.
Where are the government health warnings for e liquids ?. Where are the graphic images of vital organs damaged by the use of e liquids ?. I would expect the same kind of negative advertising for vaping as tobacco gets. I'm not seeing that. I haven't seen anything of the kind. What is happening is that there are a lot of people, i mean a whole load of people, who are talking about it, but that's all, just talking, talking talking talking, and yes.....more talking, but no physical evidence such as that which could be provided by a coroner, a coroners report would do !.
I want to see images of the damage that is done to a vapers lungs. The same kind of images that we are shown on tv and, in the uk, on cigarette packets. If the kind of damage which is caused by vaping isn't as visable as the damage caused by smoking is then i'd appreciate and respect the findings of whatever evidence a coroner can provide.
If there were any evidence, i have absolutely no doubt we would have seen this before now.
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Hi Andria, yes true. Sure you do, Lol ! Understand, makes alot of sense. That's what I'm talkin about, love cantelope. Let me know if you've whipped up a recipe.
Congrat's to your mom. She must have been a heavy smoker, to make such a comment. Well, your mom may fear vaping, will kick off the smoking habit again. Hopefully in the future, she chooses to vape over an analog. Fruity flavors are pleasant to smell, my mom is a non smoker and loves the smell of fruity flavors. Well, some in society disapprove anything and everything.
Congrat's to your mom. She must have been a heavy smoker, to make such a comment. Well, your mom may fear vaping, will kick off the smoking habit again. Hopefully in the future, she chooses to vape over an analog. Fruity flavors are pleasant to smell, my mom is a non smoker and loves the smell of fruity flavors. Well, some in society disapprove anything and everything.
I think we already touched on the fact that we both love sweet vapes. (not the vendor, though I love them too!) I find it really helpful, to have something really sweet to vape; it allows me to choose less outrageous items for *actual* snacks, something that might be good for me as well as tasty -- now that it's summer, I expect we'll be enjoying some canteloupe soon!
I've even tried to interest my mom in vaping 0mg; she's a former smoker, finally was able to quit using every form of NRT known to man, pre-vaping, but she says when she's paying the bills, she craves a cigarette desperately, even after 10 yrs -- yet she still had the nerve to say to me, "if *I* can quit, anyone can."I thought that something really sweet, without nicotine, might assuage both her smoke and sweet craving -- the latter didn't really develop till after she quit smoking, but now she eats candy like there's no tomorrow -- and hence, for her, there won't be a real lot of them.
Andria
Scary isn't it. Your not alone, I tried quitting numerous times. I learned my lesson after a severe case of bronchitis, quit for 1.5 yrs, then back to puffin on a cig. What really trips me out is, watching people at hospitals on oxygen, puffin away on a cig. Goes to show how powerfully addictive cigs are. Know what you mean, I tried a family members E cig, haven't touched a cig since.
Wow ! 4 Yrs of nicotine !! Awesome ! I have 120ml's, Lol !!!!
Wow ! 4 Yrs of nicotine !! Awesome ! I have 120ml's, Lol !!!!
And in cigarette smoke, there's something like 4,000 chemicals, most of them toxic, some of them carcinogenic. It's positively ghastly, and for about the last 20 or 30 yrs of the 39 that I smoked, I wondered if I was truly insane or what; I tried to put thosedown, more than once, and for me it was just impossible -- till vaping. They ain't taking that away from me, no way, no how, no sir. 4 yrs of nicotine in the freezer right now.
Andria
Nah, I really don't think she'll ever smoke again, because she quit once, started back, and had to do it all over again, and just like for me, it was harder the 2nd time. She has so many different things wrong with her health, there's no way she could take herself to the store and buy them, and I'm just about certain my stepfather would never go for it -- she already has to go in the hospital at least yearly to get her fluid levels down, when it starts to affect her COPD-lungs. She's in a wheelchair and no longer drives; she can barely get out of it to go to the bathroom or dress herself. So you see I have an excellent anti-role-model; she's always been that for me -- whatever she would do, I try to do just the opposite, and it usually works out pretty well.
Andria
Goodness, sorry to read of all the complications your mom has to endure with health, wishing her well through her health journey. Your not alone, felt the same way about my parents 
Nah, I really don't think she'll ever smoke again, because she quit once, started back, and had to do it all over again, and just like for me, it was harder the 2nd time. She has so many different things wrong with her health, there's no way she could take herself to the store and buy them, and I'm just about certain my stepfather would never go for it -- she already has to go in the hospital at least yearly to get her fluid levels down, when it starts to affect her COPD-lungs. She's in a wheelchair and no longer drives; she can barely get out of it to go to the bathroom or dress herself. So you see I have an excellent anti-role-model; she's always been that for me -- whatever she would do, I try to do just the opposite, and it usually works out pretty well.
Andria
Goodness, sorry to read of all the complications your mom has to endure with health, wishing her well through her health journey. Your not alone, felt the same way about my parents
Well last weekend I reminded her that she had to get COPD before she would quit smoking; she had to get cirrhosis before she would quit drinking; and since she's already diabetic, did she need to get dead before she'd knock it off with the sugar? And also pointed out that I love her more than she loves sugar, and she should keep that in mind the next time she's about to stick some candy or pancakes and syrup or cookies or fruit that's been so heavily sugared it's turned into syrup in her mouth. I really hope she was listening.
Andria
I'm sure she listens, and loves you to, only sometimes addictions can overpower will power to quit. Being ex smokers we can relate. As for sugar craving, took me a very long time to reduce my sugar consumption, I really miss chowin down on hot apple pie/ice cream, thought I was gonna go insane. Her personality may believe, might as well enjoy, while I can. I'm sure when time is right, she feels comfortable, she'll make positive changes. I haven't had pancake syrup in yrs !!!! I miss pancakes to
Well last weekend I reminded her that she had to get COPD before she would quit smoking; she had to get cirrhosis before she would quit drinking; and since she's already diabetic, did she need to get dead before she'd knock it off with the sugar? And also pointed out that I love her more than she loves sugar, and she should keep that in mind the next time she's about to stick some candy or pancakes and syrup or cookies or fruit that's been so heavily sugared it's turned into syrup in her mouth. I really hope she was listening.
Andria
You should follow your own advice before you start handing it out to others. Eliminating all the conjecture would help too.
Your bolded quote is like saying alcohol causes cirrhosis of the liver. The statement is meaningless without context, such as knowing how much and how often it's ingested or inhaled. Remember, the dose makes the poison. It most certainly doesn't back up your statement that I quoted.
I did follow all of the links, and I read all of them except the newspaper articles, dead links, the ones that linked back to the same page and the one written in Japanese. Interestingly I found nothing to back up your statements. However I did find this information in those links.
"A cause-effect relationship between diacetyl and bronchiolitis obliterans is difficult to assess because of mean diacetyl exposure levels ranging over four orders of magnitude for workplaces with affected individuals. In addition, food-processing and flavor-manufacturing employees with this lung disease were exposed to other volatile agents."
"Workers exposed to this substance in conjunction with other substances have been found to be at an increased risk of bronchiolitis obliterans. However, the evidence is inadequate at this time to conclude that it is this specific substance that is responsible Health effects of exposure to the substance have not been investigated adequately."
If you have a link to a published study that shows that any amount of diacetyl is harmful to the lungs, I, and I'm sure a lot of people, would like to see it. I'll be following this thread waiting for that link.
By the way, I wear boxers, not panties, and they are definitely not in a bunch.
http://www.webmd.com/mental-health/addiction/default.htm
It appears we need a body count, and even then some in the community will bury there heads in the sand. Ignorance is such bliss. At the very least there is a very real potential risk. Anyone who denies that is in la la land, and it is a completely unnecessary one.
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