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JCinFLA

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@DIYHodgeJuice - If I were you, I'd try what @IDJoel recommended (as far as your gear set-up), and get some of the correct coils that are to be used in your tank. Try lowering your nic mg to 6mg or even lower, if you want to DL vape using the 0.5ohm coil. Try those things first, before rushing to buy a new set-up. Quite a few people who are new to vaping spend a bunch of money buying 1 set-up, then another, and another...only to find out that a minor change or 2 to the original set-up, and/or their nic level, might have been all that was needed. They're then out a lot of $$ and are doing this -->> :facepalm:
 
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@IDJoel The coils are what came in the box so I've just been using them, it was all sealed when I ordered it
I finally found it here. I see that the mesh is included in the kit; though it is not mentioned on the Melo 4 page.


As for the recommended flavor percentages; I am more than a bit skeptical as to their usefulness/accuracy. There is a multitude of things that can make recommendations that high:
-- The seller. and/or manufacturer, are being lazy and haven't even tested them for what is "ideal" (especially for vaping).
-- Some manufacturers don't openly acknowledge using their concentrates for vaping. Instead, the recommendations are for food/beverage use. (Typically requires higher usage compared to e-liquid use)
-- Reseller is diluting the manufacturer's concentrate, and then re-bottling, prior to sale. This increases reseller's profit margin, and sales volume. Avoid at all costs. Especially, if it is name brand manufacturers, that routinely have lower recommendations on other sites (like E-liquid Recipes, or All The Flavors).
-- They are appropriate recommendations. 15-20% is high for most of today's mainstream manufacturers (Capella, FlavourArt, The Flavor/Perfumer's Aprentice, Flavourah, Inawera, etc.). In fact, Flavor West is the only one I can think of that commonly runs that high.

I am in agreement with @JCinFLA, stick to known flavor brands. There is just more usable information to be found. In the U.K., Chef's Flavours has a solid reputation. For that matter, they even have a strong fan base here in the states, as well.


To experiment with the recipes you have already made; you could try some dilutions. Mix up a small batch of unflavored (PG, VG, and nicotine, at your usual ratio/strength... without any flavor), and dilute small amounts of your already mixed recipes.

Mix small dilutions only... you don't want to end up with 50-100mL of nastiness. 1 to 2mL at a time, should be plenty to tell you if you are on the right track.

I would be inclined to try 3 simple mixes at a time.
-- 1.5mL of original mix, + 0.5mL of unflavored, provides a 25% dilution.
-- 1mL of original mix, + 1mL of unflavored, provides a 50% dilution.
-- 0.5mL of original mix, + 1.5mL of unflavored, provides a 75% dilution.

All three mixes only use up 3mL of each ingredient (original recipe, and unflavored recipe). This should quickly give you an idea if you are over-flavoring.
 

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@Mordacai cheers will have a look and see
@bombastinator makes sense, I think I just jumped into something that felt right without knowing the difference

Would just like to say a massive thank you to everyone and all the advice, I will go back to the drawing board with my equipment and start my liquids from scratch, fantastic site really glad I joined
This worries me. I rarely make sense. Ingredients are cheap though, so even if you make something unvapably nasty don’t worry about it. Basically everyone does it at least several times getting the hang of things.

One last piece of advice: wattage recommendations are not hard and fast rules. The wattage that works for you with a given coil is the right one no matter what is printed on the thing.
 

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@IDJoel The coils are what came in the box so I've just been using them, it was all sealed when I ordered it
I meant to also say; lower your wattage (to start anyway), when you use a higher resistance (ohms/Ω) coil. Generally speaking; the higher the resistance, the lower the wattage required/desired.

And, as you previously noticed, flavors have sweet spots (wattage/temperature) for tasting their best. And, different flavors have different sweet spots. One flavor may vape best at 35 watts, while another flavor may taste better at 50 watts. Don't be afraid to experiment. :)
@JCinFLA yeah had a look at the recipes and they seem a bit complicated for my level and confidence so I picked a few flavours that I thought I would like on their own and a few that might mix well together,
If these are simply repackaged/re-branded concentrates (and I am guessing they are); "good" single flavors are more of the exception, than the rule.

Most flavor concentrates focus on getting the primary distinctive flavor note correct, and are not a "complete" (a.k.a. "satisfying") flavor unto themselves. They, most often, require the addition of sweeteners, creams, bakery, and/or other notes, in order to taste "complete." That is why you see all those more "complex" recipes.

Single flavor vaping is not a bad thing to do (in fact, it can be one of the best ways to learn how they taste, and my work with other flavors), just don't expect each and every one to be a stand-alone winner. :D

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Only in my own mind!!! :D:lol::lol::lol::D
 

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Maybe I'm not understanding this thread, but single flavors rarely taste good when vaped. If you are using a One-Shot mix, which is several flavors premixed and just adding your PG/VG and nic base, that is a different thing and should work. Most recipes are made of several flavors. For example: You could mix and vape Capella Vanilla Custard by itself, but in a recipe it is usually combined with many other flavors like creams, sweeteners, butter, vanilla and/or others to make it a more complex and better flavor.

If your Pico was working with pre-made juice but lacks flavor with your mixes I would suggest that it is your juice.

My approach to DIY was completely different: I found some clone recipes of commercial juice I knew I liked and bought the ingredients needed to mix my own. Most have been great and I have generally been satisfied with the results.

Edit: And I see that IDJoel has basically already said this :). Oh well, repeated for truth.
 
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