DIY liquid for broke people - question on cutting

[MacArthurBug]

It looks like you're getting a great start. I admire someone who is able to ask the questions needed. The e-juice Calc and This guide are GREAT ways to get a start. It's a lot of information, but you seem capable of handling it.


I'm new to this too, but if you need anything that you'd rather not ask the public as a whole feel free to drop me a line! If I don't know the answer (and honestly I often don't) I know people who DO know.

 

[Hoosier]

I'm a little confused.

Wikipedia says that Glycerol (aka Glycerin) has a boiling point of 545 F.

Glycerol - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

If water boils at 212 F, where is the problem?

And PG boils at 370. Yep.

Question, does water have to boil to vaporize? It would make mud puddles a long term thing instead of a passing thing if it did.

Next, how much thick vapor would a ml of water make? Not much, eh? But PG & VG draw water into themselves from the air. It's like they are vapor multipliers.

Don't confuse vaporization with steam creation. If we were boiling the juice we should call them PB's instead of PV's.

I have HUGELY simplified this, but the general idea should come through. (I left off the cooling effects of evaporation among other things)

PG, VG, and DEG work. PG & VG are easy to obtain and you don't need to know the numbering system DEG uses to make sure you have the right stuff, just look for USP and the VG or PG will be good.

You can see the difference between PG and water in time to vapor production in an atty. Flush an atty with water and another with PG and let drain a few hours. Connect to battery and see how long each takes to get to starting to glow. Or you could take my word that the watered atty acts like it is dead until nearly all that water is gone, but the PG atty starts making noise very quickly.

 

[mister kil]

Yup, I accounted for 10% flavor in there as well. Though I'm looking at FlavorArt, and from what I've read I might not need that much, heh. Pinchin' those pennies, man.



Nope. I've tried. I have a monstrously addictive personality, several generations in the making. I can get addicted to quite literally anything. The moment I put a ciggie in my mouth, it was all over. If I'm not careful, I will quickly get up to 2-3 packs a day. I keep it around 30 cigs a day at the moment.

When I have tried to quit, I have:
1. Wound up rolling loose tea and smokin' that.
2. Had to call in to work due to out-of-control rage.
3. Smoking despite wearing the highest dose nicotine patch. Yeah. Just begging for a stroke.

I'm concerned that if I try cold turkey, I will actually go insane. Patches/gum didn't work. I'm willing to bet nasal sprays and cig alarm clocks won't be much better.

So e-cigs it is.

trailless - Heh, speak for yourself. I WISH I weren't having any side-effects of smoking. But I am.

I already have a smoker's cough. I've had chronic tonsilitis since about 6 months after I started. I've gotten pneumonia. Keep in mind, I had no history of any respiratory or throat issues before this. My gums are also going bad, very quickly. I have to brush, floss, and rinse 3 times a day just to slow it down.

This is probably due to the insane amount of smoking I do. For the first year I was basically chain smoking.

I started smoking when I was 17, By the second week in I was already a two pack a day smoker (and I mean smoker, not just watching half burn, or getting distracted from the process by chatting) I was up to 3 packs a day at 40(12/23/2009). Two months later I began Vaping and now will only sneak a smoke on rare occasion just to find myself saying yuck, that was a bad idea.

So I understand your predicament.

One time I was getting ready to take an impromptu flight and found out they had given me the non-smoking section, my friends pleaded with the airlines saying I would end up in a rage on the plain. The airlines promptly made sure I got in the smoking section.

 

[mister kil]

I filled my tobacco vaporizer (which has temperature control from 200 to 400 degrees Fahrenheit) with poly and loaded it with juice (I have used VG and PG) It begins to be able to Vape it at 255 Then peaks out at 320 before starting to burn the throat.

 

[zoiDman]

And PG boils at 370. Yep.

Question, does water have to boil to vaporize? It would make mud puddles a long term thing instead of a passing thing if it did.

Next, how much thick vapor would a ml of water make? Not much, eh? But PG & VG draw water into themselves from the air. It's like they are vapor multipliers.

Don't confuse vaporization with steam creation. If we were boiling the juice we should call them PB's instead of PV's.

I have HUGELY simplified this, but the general idea should come through. (I left off the cooling effects of evaporation among other things)

PG, VG, and DEG work. PG & VG are easy to obtain and you don't need to know the numbering system DEG uses to make sure you have the right stuff, just look for USP and the VG or PG will be good.

You can see the difference between PG and water in time to vapor production in an atty. Flush an atty with water and another with PG and let drain a few hours. Connect to battery and see how long each takes to get to starting to glow. Or you could take my word that the watered atty acts like it is dead until nearly all that water is gone, but the PG atty starts making noise very quickly.

Not sure I follow all of this but I can say this. I have used water to thin Pure VG at a 4:1 ( VG : Water ) ratio. It tends to make a VG based blend wick better in cartos. Also adding a few drops of water to LorAnn flavors makes them easier to work with in that they are not so concentrated.

But what I think the OP was going for is can water be used to dilute down a 60mg or 100mg base to something vapable.

In that case, you would need to use perhaps 50% or more water in a blend and I don't see that as a possibilty.

 

[Nikhil]

Actually Hoosier, the PG/VG is boiling. When you boil water you see bubbles rise, because the water that is boiling is at the bottom of the pan. The crackling noise you're hearing is the PG touching the atomizer boiling. The reason the watery atomizer doesn't seem to do anything is likely because the heat diffuses rapidly and evenly through all of the water and water vapor is relatively invisible in such small amounts, while this isn't the case with PG/VG. Vaporization is either evaporation, boiling, or sublimation. It's just a more general term than boiling and it's probably used because it sounds better.

Anyway, I hope you meant PEG not DEG.

And PG boils at 370. Yep.

Question, does water have to boil to vaporize? It would make mud puddles a long term thing instead of a passing thing if it did.

Next, how much thick vapor would a ml of water make? Not much, eh? But PG & VG draw water into themselves from the air. It's like they are vapor multipliers.

Don't confuse vaporization with steam creation. If we were boiling the juice we should call them PB's instead of PV's.

I have HUGELY simplified this, but the general idea should come through. (I left off the cooling effects of evaporation among other things)

PG, VG, and DEG work. PG & VG are easy to obtain and you don't need to know the numbering system DEG uses to make sure you have the right stuff, just look for USP and the VG or PG will be good.

You can see the difference between PG and water in time to vapor production in an atty. Flush an atty with water and another with PG and let drain a few hours. Connect to battery and see how long each takes to get to starting to glow. Or you could take my word that the watered atty acts like it is dead until nearly all that water is gone, but the PG atty starts making noise very quickly.

 

[sjohnson]

Nothing wrong with guessing intent, but none of the posters who stated water was not good did not do so while stating the water concentration proposed was at fault, just that water was at fault.

Just as mixing water and car "antifreeze" changes the boiling point of the resulting liquid, water mixed with PG or glycerine alters the boiling point of the resulting liquid. The water doesn't boil separately from the PG which doesn't boil separately from the glycerine, the mix boils.

For instance, water boils at 100c. A mixture of 70 parts glycerine and 100 parts water boils at 113.6c. See Volatility Properties (70 to 0 Parts Glycerine)

 

[Automaton]

MacArthurBug - Yeah, I figured there was something wrong with my initial theory of cutting with water, since I didn't see anyone else doing it. But seeing as how I also couldn't find anyone addressing the reason why, I figured I'd ask. No stupid questions, right?

Thanks so much for answering, and also the impromptu chemistry lesson. And ALSO for a few of you chiming in that, yes, it is possible to be a hard-core addict when you're my age. Makes me feel a little less freakish. I felt like a crazy person explaining what I'm like when I quit smoking. I basically can't function.

But that's all going out the window. I'm ordering ALL my stuff tomorrow. My e-cig(s), e-juice, and all my DIY stuff too. And I talked my dad into trying it with me too, so this'll be fun.

Expect me back in a week or two, having blown up my kitchen.

 

[KonaNeil]

...Thanks so much for answering, and also the impromptu chemistry lesson. And ALSO for a few of you chiming in that, yes, it is possible to be a hard-core addict when you're my age. Makes me feel a little less freakish. I felt like a crazy person explaining what I'm like when I quit smoking. I basically can't function...

Let me apologize for my comment. You put it so well that I shut up after reading your reply. The first time I tried to quit at 34 I had symptoms much like yours. After starting at 15, maybe I would have had as much trouble by 21. We knew so little then and it was so accepted and cheap to smoke that I didn't even think of quitting.

I've tried so many methods so many times. This is the first thing to work for me and its been a year. Started at 24mg, now down to 10-12mg. It hasn't even been difficult.

 

[Automaton]

Let me apologize for my comment. You put it so well that I shut up after reading your reply. The first time I tried to quit at 34 I had symptoms much like yours. After starting at 15, maybe I would have had as much trouble by 21. We knew so little then and it was so accepted and cheap to smoke that I didn't even think of quitting.

I've tried so many methods so many times. This is the first thing to work for me and its been a year. Started at 24mg, now down to 10-12mg. It hasn't even been difficult.

It's ok. We all work a little differently. Some of us took longer than others to get addicted. And some people don't get as addicted as others no matter how long they smoke.

I am in the minority in a lot of ways - my propensity for addiction being one of them - and I am used to having to explain what it's like for me. I don't mind it. I don't expect other people to automatically know what I'm like. The only thing that bothers me is when people don't listen.

So don't be sorry.

I honestly don't even know why anyone bothers with NRT. The success rate isn't much higher than cold turkey and it's so expensive. It's more expensive than smoking! You may as well just keep smoking and try to taper down - your chances of success are the same, and it's cheaper.

Hopefully I'll have similar luck. I can do it... right?

 

[MacArthurBug]

I can do it... right?

Nothing ventured, nothing gained!