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Visit Europe, the Benelux countries specifically. It's a cheap beer over there (though my favourite cheapo beer, that and Grolsch) :)

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come to belgium.
il show you a bar that has over 600 different beers. all belgian beers ofcourse.
 

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so are you guys using flux core solder too? I'm a little surprised so many insisting additional flux is absolutely mandatory for something like this.

I'm using a rosin core 60/40 solder. the rosin core of the solder should be enough to reduce oxides at the points of contact and give a good solid connection. the rosin core flux does work to remove contaminants and oxidation, when dealing with relatively clean stuff to begin with I feel it's adequate for a really good solid connection, I thought that's what it's designed for. are you guys saying no?

I've used rosin core solder at work on wiring repairs that are on used oxidized wires from damaged vehicle harnesses. of course I clean them well and use flux when I can but in a pinch I can use rosin core solder to actually clean the wire and make a good joint just by overfeeding the solder into the dirty joint, you can see the solder drawing out all the oxides and actually see the flux doing it's job, after feeding a lot of excess solder into the joint allowing the excess to ruin off you will see that the joint is no longer spewing crud from the wire and the connection becomes a clean adequate joint. only point I'm making is rosin core solder does provide flux and it does actually work. I'm surprised so many feel it's inadequate. I've been soldering for years but I've never had any formal training, is there some reason I'm missing that a rosin core alone is really inadequate? I never thought it was until you guys jumped all over me on this :)
A lot of my rc car soldering was done with only rosin core solder (60/40). Same with my bikes and cars. With electronics, I like flux because it's quicker and cleaner. With rosin core only, you have to heat the joint before the rosin flows to clean it which adds more heat than necessary.

I've tried 200 watts before and no thank you. I got a slight burned hit, even with tc.
Apparently not a DNA200.

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Grolsch is another favorite of mine. Love their bottles too :party:
 

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A lot of my rc car soldering was done with only rosin core solder (60/40). Same with my bikes and cars. With electronics, I like flux because it's quicker and cleaner. With rosin core only, you have to heat the joint before the rosin flows to clean it which adds more heat than necessary.


Apparently not a DNA200.


Grolsch is another favorite of mine. Love their bottles too :party:
Huh? The dna200 is the first high wattage mod I've owned, or anything past 60 watts that is.
 

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So about 3 weeks ago I ordered a custom dna 200 box but come to find out today that the battery MFG of the battery that the mod uses has a hold on a order or something, basically there's no ETA, so I'm looking to get another dna 200 mod. Something that can ship with in the next week or so. I'm looking for the absolute best mod on the market right now to replace my snow wolf 200w (inaccurate pos). I was looking at cloudmaker and the box by vape cige but they both seem like cheap pieces of .... that will fall apart after a week of use. The Opus is out of stock everywhere and I've seen a lot of issues with a fuse shorting. The hana also looks like a piece of .... with spinning buttons and a garbage battery (the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah?). I see a lot of people rave about the boxer mod, also saw it has a user replaceable battery. I really don't care for the look of it but it's still an option. There's no ETA on the lavabox, my first choice. The box I'm still waiting on, glad I wanted it quick, has a maxamps 1850mah 11.1v 3s lipo so looking to get something with a similar battery or better.
 

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So about 3 weeks ago I ordered a custom dna 200 box but come to find out today that the battery MFG of the battery that the mod uses has a hold on a order or something, basically there's no ETA, so I'm looking to get another DNA 200 mod. Something that can ship with in the next week or so. I'm looking for the absolute best mod on the market right now to replace my snow wolf 200w (inaccurate pos). I was looking at cloudmaker and the box by vape cige but they both seem like cheap pieces of .... that will fall apart after a week of use. The Opus is out of stock everywhere and I've seen a lot of issues with a fuse shorting. The hana also looks like a piece of .... with spinning buttons and a garbage battery (the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah?). I see a lot of people rave about the boxer mod, also saw it has a user replaceable battery. I really don't care for the look of it but it's still an option. There's no ETA on the lavabox, my first choice. The box I'm still waiting on, glad I wanted it quick, has a maxamps 1850mah 11.1v 3s lipo so looking to get something with a similar battery or better.
Worth a look: XPV DNA-200D | Protovapor.com
 

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Just from looking at the pictures the quality looks pretty bad, also has a 900mah lipo. Again the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah, not even worth the box it would be shipped in. May end up getting the VTBox 200.
The VapeCige's aren't going to start shipping till the 28th (from China), I have one pre-ordered. The battery used in the XPV DNa200 is the same one that's used in Evolv's reference mod. My Opus has a 1000 mah lipo and I have no complaints as to battery charge life but I'm using it @ 28 watts.
 

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So about 3 weeks ago I ordered a custom dna 200 box but come to find out today that the battery MFG of the battery that the mod uses has a hold on a order or something, basically there's no ETA, so I'm looking to get another DNA 200 mod. Something that can ship with in the next week or so. I'm looking for the absolute best mod on the market right now to replace my snow wolf 200w (inaccurate pos). I was looking at cloudmaker and the box by vape cige but they both seem like cheap pieces of .... that will fall apart after a week of use. The Opus is out of stock everywhere and I've seen a lot of issues with a fuse shorting. The hana also looks like a piece of .... with spinning buttons and a garbage battery (the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah?). I see a lot of people rave about the boxer mod, also saw it has a user replaceable battery. I really don't care for the look of it but it's still an option. There's no ETA on the lavabox, my first choice. The box I'm still waiting on, glad I wanted it quick, has a maxamps 1850mah 11.1v 3s lipo so looking to get something with a similar battery or better.

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The VapeCige's aren't going to start shipping till the 28th (from China), I have one pre-ordered. The battery used in the XPV DNa200 is the same one that's used in Evolv's reference mod. My Opus has a 1000 mah lipo and I have no complaints as to battery charge life but I'm using it @ 28 watts.
Yeah after looking a bit more at the box I retract my statement about buying it. Guess I'll stick with this ....wolf 200w until a non "cheap chinese ...." tier box mod is released.
 

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My dna 200 is set to burst at 200 watts until desired temp. My wattage setting is at 20. I've noticed that the dna will only start at 50 Watts at the highest until desired temp. I guess it's build subjective on how high the dna will burst the wattage. Maybe a thicker wire will need to be bursted at a higher wattage to reach desired temp.

Unless your Ohms are low enough that you are running into current limit or high enough that you are running into voltage limit, it actually is likely pushing 200W:

The screen values are averages of every 250 milliseconds (four times per second -- in the beta custom fields showed real-time but it was changed because numbers changing hundreds of times per second are really hard to read), so (for example) if it only takes 50 milliseconds at 200W to get to temperature and then you're at 20W for the other 200 milliseconds, that interval is going to show (50/250)*200+(200/250)*20=40+16=56W -- the average power over the interval.

It does take a tiny bit of time to ramp up to 200W, but most likely what you are seeing is due to time averaging of the displayed value. 200W is a lot and often isn't needed very long. A thinner wire will take less time to heat, that's all, in this case less than one screen update interval. The control system is rather fast. :)
 
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Unless your Ohms are low enough that you are running into current limit or high enough that you are running into voltage limit, it actually is likely pushing 200W:

The screen values are averages of every 250 milliseconds (four times per second -- in the beta custom fields showed real-time but it was changed because numbers changing hundreds of times per second are really hard to read), so (for example) if it only takes 50 milliseconds at 200W to get to temperature and then you're at 20W for the other 200 milliseconds, that interval is going to show (50/250)*200+(200/250)*20=40+16=56W -- the average power over the interval.

It does take a tiny bit of time to ramp up to 200W, but most likely what you are seeing is due to time averaging of the displayed value. 200W is a lot and often isn't needed very long. A thinner wire will take less time to heat, that's all, in this case less than one screen update interval. The control system is rather fast. :)
Not according to the device moniter and chart. It only goes up to 50 Watts at the most. I'm also vaping with ti and using ti tcr.
 

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Hmm. Do you see higher values if you uncheck everything but Power in Device Monitor? (To get a faster update rate.)

Or, for the fastest possible read-out, try going to the Research tab in EScribe, and selecting Excel (CSV) for Serial Output. You can record this by opening the DNA 200's serial port with a terminal program like PuTTY and load it into Excel or view in Notepad. It updates *much* faster than the Device Monitor, though with a limited number of fields available.
 
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Just from looking at the pictures the quality looks pretty bad, also has a 900mah lipo. Again the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah, not even worth the box it would be shipped in.

My first DNA200 build has a 900mAh LiPo and I get the better part of a day with it using a Subtank. It's fantastic for a stealthy mod to use when going out.

You may not have a need, but I don't think you can dismiss a specific DNA200 mod as essentially worthless because it has a 900mAh battery. Sure you aren't going to be chucking a Starre Pro or Crown at 100W+ with it for very long, but there are other reasons to own a DNA200 besides pushing its wattage limits. The accuracy of the board alone makes vaping at Subtank wattages more pleasurable than even on my DNA40s or SX Mini. It's good that you understand your own needs, but I hardly think the XPV DNA-200 is "not even worth the box it would be shipped in".
 

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Just from looking at the pictures the quality looks pretty bad, also has a 900mah lipo. Again the .... am I supposed to do with 900mah, not even worth the box it would be shipped in.


a 900mah lipo is going to give you more usable battery life than the best 18650's out there. if you need an equivalent of a multi 18650 mod then yeah you need the huge batteries that are double the size but they are more equivalent to more than 2 18650's in usable life. 900mah is not bad at all and many get a whole day from it or almost, give it a usb boost here and there through the day like when driving and the 900mah should last most a whole day and not be huge.
 
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