Do I undersand this right?

[LadyAmethyst]

I've been vaping for a little over 90 days and I want to try my hand at mixing some e-juice. I'm a novice at DIY so to just to keep it simple to start with I'm not doing any fancy combinations. I'm just trying to make sure that I understand the things that I'm reading about in here. I'm using Scubabatdan's ejuce_calculatorv13.xls because I'm not that great at math. So........

I have 15ml of flavored 36mg 100% PG eliquid.
I want to turn it into 18mg 70/30 PG/VG eliquid.
I also have the matching flavor.

Now I'm trying to figure out if I'm understanding the answers I get from the calculator. This is what I put into the calculator:

Base PG Nic % 36mg
Target PG Nic % 18mg
Amount to be made for recipe 10ml
Water/Vodka/PGA 10%
VG 20%
Flavor 10%
​

It gives me the following answer:

PG with nicotine 50%
PG (no nicotine) 18%
Water/Vodka/PGA 2%
VG 20%
Flavorings 10%
​

Now if I'm understanding this right it means I should come out with about a 68/32 PG/VG mix which is close to the target I'm trying to reach. Is that right?

Thanks
LadyA

 

[tybin]

i'm not sure. but wouldn't you want to plug in 30% for the vg if you want 70/30?

 

[LadyAmethyst]

Well, that's part of what I'm trying to understand.

So if I change it to this:

Base PG Nic % 36mg
Target PG Nic % 18mg
Amount to be made for recipe 10ml
Water/Vodka/PGA 10%
VG 30%
Flavor 10%​

It gives me the following answer:

PG with nicotine 50%
PG (no nicotine) 7%
Water/Vodka/PGA 3%
VG 20%
Flavorings 10%​

Now if I'm understanding this right it means I should come out with about a 57/42 PG/VG mix which isn't close to the target I'm trying to reach.

LadyA

 

[tybin]

hmmm. good question. i would pm Scubabatdan. i just usually put in 8ml of my base (already mixed to my ratio needed) then 1ml (for 10%) of the flavoring and .5 to 1ml of my distilled water. then shake vigorously

 

[PKZap27]

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Have you read throught the following thread? It should help you to understand Dan's calculator and also answer most of your questions.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...e-calculator-added-quantity-calculations.html

 

[LadyAmethyst]

PKZap27

Have you read throught the following thread? It should help you to understand Dan's calculator and also answer most of your questions.

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/for...culations.html

Well, it's 59 pages long and I've gotten to about page 25 but I'm finding it more confusing than helpful. So I thought that I'd just ask the question here. Don't get me wrong I think the calculator is great but I'm just trying to see if I understand it!

What I want is a 70/30 18mg eliquid made from 100%PG 36mg eliquid. The thing is when I start plugging in numbers like 30% VG, 10% water to thin the VG, and 10% flavor, it doesn't seem to come out to the 70/30 18mg eliquid that I want, unless I'm not understanding the answers correctly.

LadyA

 

[tomjw3]

using the calc. I entered you're numbers;
Base PG Nic%-36
Target PG Nic% -18
amount to be made-10
Water/Vodka/PGA-10
VG-20
Flavor-10

and the answer I got;
PG with Nicotine-50%
PG ( No Nicotine)-18%
Water/vodka/PGA based on VG-2%
VG-20%
Flavoring(s)-10%

The math works-maybe you're flavoring is VG based? The math doesn't work for that assumption.
Maye the macro's are not working properly?
Tom

 

[tomjw3]

The reason I say that the macro's might not be working is you're second example comes out to 90%
Tom

 

[sophie_lapin]

Tell me what your flavor is and I will help ya.

 

[PKZap27]

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Flavoring is PG based, so you would count the 10% flavoring on the PG side.

you can play around with the calculator without the water to see that the ratio works.

I don't think you need to thin out VG with water in the mix you want. The reason I say this is because I have mixed 60/40 PG/VG and never bothered to thin my VG and I felt it was a long way from being to thick to use.

I know that Dan discussed in his thread about how the water is applied to the VG in the calculation. I don't recall how it is calculated since I don't bother with thining VG in my mix, as i have never went beyond 60/40 PG/VG.

I don't think 2% either way in the ratio is anything to loose sleep over.

I hope this helps.

YMMV

 

[dripdaddy]

Tell me what your flavor is and I will help ya.

I'm with sophie on that one. Do you have a flavor doubler or a flavoring that is the same as your 36mg bottle?

 

[Shantia]

If the flavor you have to match your nic flavor is already diluted (a doubler) and is 100% PG, then you need to remove the 10% flavor from your calculations. With how much PG you have in your flavor and your nic it might be impossible for you to reach 70/30 unless you want to reduce your nic strength even further. The lower nic strength means less PG nic you add, which allows you to add more VG. I also agree with other posters no need for vodka or water, PG is enough to thin the liquid at 70/30. You only should start considering adding distilled water or PGA when you are mixing with the higher number being VG and the lower number being PG. Currently i use around a 70VG/30PG no Distilled or PGA with all my DIY and have not run into wicking issues with atties or standard cartos. CE2's ....well thats another story that i wont go into here.

So if your flavoring is already a diluted flavor you need to just put in these numbers:
nic strength 36
target nic 18
VG 30%

Now where it says to add the unflavored PG use your 0 nic flavoring (assuming it is already a diluted doubler), then add how ever much nic and VG it says to add and you should get your target mix. Albeit with 30% VG of unflavoredness you might loose a little bit of flavor strength but i really doubt it will be an issue.

Now if your flavor is a concentrated flavor that matches your nic juice (EXAMPLE: caramel) then you want to keep the 10% flavor, drop the Vodka/water and input:
Nic strength 36
target nic 18
vg 30%
flavoring (if your nic is already flavored adding 10% of a concentrated flavor might be a serious over kill, i'd try 5%)

Add the PG and VG and nic it says to, then add your % of flavoring that you decided on...hopefully it all works out well and you end up with your 70/30 nummy yummies.

 

[sophie_lapin]

5ml Flavored 36Nic PG
2ml Flavored Doubler PG
3ml VG
-------------------
10ml 70/30 18mg Juice

 

[LadyAmethyst]

Well, I made a typo in post #3. The answer actually was VG 30% not 20%.

tomjw3
The reason I say that the macro's might not be working is you're second example comes out to 90%

So, tomjw3, that's why it didn't add up!

dripdaddy

I'm with sophie on that one. Do you have a flavor doubler or a flavoring that is the same as your 36mg bottle?

The flavoring that I have is Flavourart Condensed Flavouring the same flavor as my base.

Shantia

Now if your flavor is a concentrated flavor that matches your nic juice (EXAMPLE: caramel) then you want to keep the 10% flavor, drop the Vodka/water and input:
Nic strength 36
target nic 18
vg 30%
flavoring (if your nic is already flavored adding 10% of a concentrated flavor might be a serious over kill, i'd try 5%)

I actually have 2 flavors together. I have the Maxboro base with a 2x Menthol extra flavoring. I have both of these (Maxboro and Menthol) in the Flavorart Condensed Flavorings.

The other reason that I was going to add PGA was that in some of the posts I've read they say that PGA increases the throat hit.

The other thing that I was considering doing was pre-thinning my VG with the PGA. So my VG would actually be 90% VG and 10% PGA, but us it in the calculations as if it were just VG.

LadyA

 

[Shantia]

Thinning your VG with PGA for throat hit is not a bad idea. From most of the information i've read 5% PGA is recommended, unless your really looking for a great throat hit. I dont like throat hit...that or i dont really understand what throat hit is supposed to mean cause things that actually affect my throat, hurt.. I like smooth vapes.

 

[LadyAmethyst]

Well, I do like the throat hit! I think I gonna try mixing up some tomorrow using the pre-thinned VG. Getting too tired tonight to concentrate on measuring correctly.

LadyA

 

[dripdaddy]

5ml Flavored 36Nic PG
2ml Flavored Doubler PG
3ml VG
-------------------
10ml 70/30 18mg Juice

Bingo!!!!!

 

[mwa102464]

Heck I use all vg base Nic and add my PG or water based flavorings at about 20% and it turns out to be a dam good mix. Just saying

 

[LadyAmethyst]

So if the flavorings are concentrated, that means they don't have any PG or VG right? Well then how much, if any, does adding a few drops of concentrated flavor to the mix affect the nic level?

Shantia, I’m going to take your advice an lower the flavor to 5%. I can always add more later if it’s not strong enough. So, I'm going to give this a try to see how it turns out.

PG Calculator
Section 1
Base PG Nic % 36 mg
Target PG Nic % 18 mg
Amount to be made for recipe 10 ml
Water/Vodka/PGA 0 %
VG 30 %
Flavor 5 %

Section 2 says
Ingredient ml drops %
PG with nicotine 5.00 220 50.0% (Maxboro premix x2extra Menthol)
PG (no nicotine) 1.50 78 15.0% (Plain PG)
Water/Vodka/PGA 0.00 0 0.0% ---------
VG 3.00 84 30.0% (pre-thinned VG @ 90/10 VG/PGA)
Flavorings 0.50 17 5.0% (5 drops Maxboro, 12 drops Menthol Concentrates)

I'll let you know how it works!

LadyA

 

[LadyAmethyst]

Okay, I made it!

Turned out pretty good. I'm gonna be vaping it for the next few days so we'll see how it does over the long haul.

LadyA