That's a good question. I am interested to learn the proxess from source material to purified finished product with freebase nicotine. I've never researched it. Got plenty of time now...
Do "you" believe Vaping is Environmentally Friendly ?.
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When I first started DIY I looked up the process of producing nicotine from plants. I was naively thinking I would grow plants and make my own nic at home. Discovered it's quite complicated and takes a lot of fancy expensive equipment. I saw a post from a chemist saying that doing it yourself would take around of $75K in equipment. And a license because your extraction system would be pumping bad stuff out the chimney. The main complexity came from removing impurities rather than getting nicotine out of the plants.
I guess you would also need to factor in the process of producing VG and PG. Chopping down palm trees and whatever processing follows. We use more of that than we do nicotine.
From everything I have read, I thought there is unequivocal proof of man made contribution to global warming and therefore climate change. To what degree I thought was the question?
been far too long of just coasting through not studying. I seem to have found some time now...
You have inflamed my quest for knowledge. I will start reading again. Thank you
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Everything you've read is theory. There's no unequivocal proof anywhere. It's not possible. For every climate change alarmist scientist there is an equal amount of environmental scientists that say it's BS.
You don’t believe that burning coal, oil and gas, releasing carbon dioxide into the atmosphere which is trapped contributes?
Which scientist/s say it does not?
Again, as I say. Been some years and I would love to read opposing viewpoints on that, perhaps to find I’m mistaken. Just seems implausible
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I don’t really feel as angry as that girl looks. More confused I guess. I didn’t think this was an argument.
I just thought the question was how much do humans contribute?
I don’t really feel as angry as that girl looks. More confused I guess. I didn’t think this was an argument.
I just thought the question was how much do humans contribute?
In theory maybe but the is no proof. Also it's not CO2 that's a problem it's CO that's the problem. CO2 is carbon dioxide. You breathe in oxygen and breathe out carbon dioxide. Plants take in carbon dioxide and release oxygen. CO is carbon monoxide. Carbon monoxide is released when carbon base products are burnt. What "climate change" do you think is man made? First it was "global cooling" until that was shown to be a hoax. Then it was "global warming" until that was shown to be a hoax. Then the tree hugging alarmists started with their "climate change" BS because they've been shown to be a hoax either way. Theory is not proof.
combustion of (in my/this particular example) coal produces co2. Co2 absorbs energy such as heat.
Isn’t this common knowledge?
that sounds rude. I don’t mean to be. It is 2am where I am and time to hit the hay. Please post, I will read some more perhaps reply tomorrow evening
Thanks
Isn’t this common knowledge?
that sounds rude. I don’t mean to be. It is 2am where I am and time to hit the hay. Please post, I will read some more perhaps reply tomorrow evening
Thanks
Well, quite an interesting thread Evan 
. I needed a bit of entertainment tonight so thank you! It's been a long week at work what with the number of my coworkers taking time off and all the changes we've experienced. I work part time in a big box retail store and this week I'm going to end up putting in almost 40 hours. My wife is watching a boring (to me) movie so I thought I would check out ECF and see what's new around here.
I apologize for skipping over your preamble, but I wanted to get right to the heart of your OP:
This part is not a question I know, but I wanted to let you know I agree with it.
I had not considered that before. There is no connection to the first part of your question that I can see, but I think it is valid to consider the aspect of how our reaction to Covid-19 may help alleviate some of the environmental changes we have been causing on our planet.
Yes this reaction and the changes we are experiencing now may be fleeting, but who knows, this could unleash a new reality for us all which may ultimately prevent a lot more carnage later. It has the potential to make us smarter about environmental issues and also about the risks of the microbial dangers we face. Maybe, maybe not, but definitely an interesting theory to think about and consider as time passes.
. I needed a bit of entertainment tonight so thank you! It's been a long week at work what with the number of my coworkers taking time off and all the changes we've experienced. I work part time in a big box retail store and this week I'm going to end up putting in almost 40 hours. My wife is watching a boring (to me) movie so I thought I would check out ECF and see what's new around here.I apologize for skipping over your preamble, but I wanted to get right to the heart of your OP:
This part is not a question I know, but I wanted to let you know I agree with it.
I had not considered that before. There is no connection to the first part of your question that I can see, but I think it is valid to consider the aspect of how our reaction to Covid-19 may help alleviate some of the environmental changes we have been causing on our planet.
Yes this reaction and the changes we are experiencing now may be fleeting, but who knows, this could unleash a new reality for us all which may ultimately prevent a lot more carnage later. It has the potential to make us smarter about environmental issues and also about the risks of the microbial dangers we face. Maybe, maybe not, but definitely an interesting theory to think about and consider as time passes.
I tried to explain how vaping / vapour isn't necessarily something other people want to be breathing in, second hand vaping if you like. Some people don't like it. The same can be said for car exhaust fumes. Vapers don't see an issue with vapour but that shouldn't mean that they should behave in an ignorant way about a non vaper who may not like it. Vapers don't like breathing second hand smoke and probably feel the same way about it as smokers do about vapour. But vapers would argue that vapour is harmless and cigarette smoke isn't. That doesn't automatically mean that other people who smoke tobacco should like smelling and breathing in second hand vapour. If they don't like it then they don't like it. I don't like breathing in car exhaust fumes, i don't drive a car and never will regardless of how practical they are. They emit soot from their exhaust. As a cyclist i get covered in it cycling three or four hours a day on busy roads. A fine black powder coats my bike. I'm pretty sure most motorists are blissfully unaware that a whole load of soot comes out of their car's exhaust and that they too are breathing it in whenever they are outside. I don't want to be breathing in soot from car exhausts everytime i go outside in the same way i don't want to be breathing in tobacco smoke, second hand or other wise. So those who are as aware as i am would understand that a vaper should realise that the corona virus has had an effect on climate change (car pollution in this case) via the lockdown !. Committed motorists couldn't care less though and aren't ashamed to admit it. Yet for an unexplainable reason some of those same people prefer to vape rather than smoke. So they come on to this thread, in a vaping forum, and explain just how self contradictory they are without even realising it. And they don't care about what they breath in................... but they vape !?.
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I live on a river. 20 years ago when I moved here you could swim in it, though you were advised to avoid getting water on your face and to shower as soon as you got home. Now you are advised not to get it on your skin at all. Industrial waste dumping has declined somewhat, but the silt at the bottom is a sludge of heavy metals and toxic chemicals that will be around for thousands of years, and human waste overflow adds diseases. Nobody currently alive can remember a time when you could eat fish from it. I can imagine a better way of living. We aren't great custodians of our planet.
I saw a talk on youtube a while ago about the Fermi Paradox. The question of why we have never detected signs of technological civilisations in the universe. They listed possible reasons, like maybe it's really hard for life to begin, or for intelligence to develop. But assuming technological civilisations arise, they mentioned a list of reasons why they might not survive long enough to become visible in the universe. Nuclear war. Climate destruction. Resource depletion. Artificial intelligence. Disease. At least the emergence of vaping wasn't on the list.
Seriously, I didn't take up vaping because I think it's good for me or for the environment. I did it to escape something worse that I had got addicted to.
No, we are not ten years old but I think we may be electronically conversing with a ten year old.
It is your thread, you ask what I thought, I told you. You don't like my thoughts, who cares? Not I.
Environmentally friendly or not, I'm in it for the long-haul. I stocked up on hardware and nic base in preparation for FDA bull
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Not easy to sell vape. Lots of crooked buyers in all the classies and ECF classies are not enough to get rid of vape gear, especially mainstream gear.
I will just have to live with being an "environmental terrorist".
. Not easy to sell vape. Lots of crooked buyers in all the classies and ECF classies are not enough to get rid of vape gear, especially mainstream gear.
I will just have to live with being an "environmental terrorist".
Evan, m'dear you know I love you like a brother. And I couldn't weed (literally) through the whole thread, but I have to point out you made a RATHER speculative thread then ASKED people to answer, so they ALSO speculated.
Every time my dear dad goes on about global warming, I send him that picture he gave me (it's black and white but not THAT old) of scientists poring alarmingly over this graph about global COOLING.
So I am essentially saying we've been arguing about THE WEATHER for decades, hell, probably since the dawn of time when a little cave kid didn't want to leave the cave because it was raining.(Also, because of the dinosaurs.)+
But, I gotta cast my vote. It is possible that google/amazon et al. want us socially media addicted even more than we are NOW.
I neither know nor care if my vaping is good for the environment or no. This would fall under "if a butterfly's wings flap somewhere." It's impossible to know, I refuse to care.
I do find it ironic that Al Gore doesn't travel everywhere by horse and buggy. And row boat. But hey you can ESPOUSE ANY THEORY you WANT and still not live it.
If vaping is bad for the WEATHER then stop,
Gosh.
Also I think plants are good? Turning good old Co2 into nice clean oxygen. I hope vaping uses MORE plants and it just well might. IDK..
But Evan don't be shocked at the answers you are getting.
Anna
Every time my dear dad goes on about global warming, I send him that picture he gave me (it's black and white but not THAT old) of scientists poring alarmingly over this graph about global COOLING.
So I am essentially saying we've been arguing about THE WEATHER for decades, hell, probably since the dawn of time when a little cave kid didn't want to leave the cave because it was raining.(Also, because of the dinosaurs.)+
But, I gotta cast my vote. It is possible that google/amazon et al. want us socially media addicted even more than we are NOW.
I neither know nor care if my vaping is good for the environment or no. This would fall under "if a butterfly's wings flap somewhere." It's impossible to know, I refuse to care.
I do find it ironic that Al Gore doesn't travel everywhere by horse and buggy. And row boat. But hey you can ESPOUSE ANY THEORY you WANT and still not live it.
If vaping is bad for the WEATHER then stop,
Gosh.
Also I think plants are good? Turning good old Co2 into nice clean oxygen. I hope vaping uses MORE plants and it just well might. IDK..
But Evan don't be shocked at the answers you are getting.
Anna
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