Do you know Nic?

[Robino1]

TFA = The Flavor Apprentice
TPA = The Perfumer's Apprentice
HFM = ??? Not sure but I can keep digging.

 

[Girod]

TPA/TFA are The Perfumer's Apprentice/The Flavor Apprentice (same company) and HFM is high flavor mix.

 

[Robino1]

Be sure to read all the stickies in this section of the forum before you actually start DIY'ing.
Much better to have a good grasp of what you need and how to do it. There is a TON of good information in here.

 

[Completely Average]

using less concentrated Nic is safer. Accidentally spill some 100mg on your skin or drop some on the floor, you get sidecramps and headaches or worse a trip to the ER,

That is some serious scaremongering right there.

I think you RADICALLY overestimate the potency and effects of 100mg nicotine base. If you happen to get a few drops on your skin and immediately wipe it off you won't notice a thing. First, I think you fail to consider that one drop = 5% of a ml, so 1 drop of 100mg base is only around 5mg of nicotine. You would have to spill close to a full ml of base on to your skin and then let it sit there and soak into your skin for a while to feel any effect, and the rate at which it soaks in would reduced the overall potency of the nicotine. It wouldn't all soak in at once, it takes time. Maybe if you spilled a full ml on your arm and then just let it sit there for a half hour soaking in to your skin you might end up going to the ER, but what are the odds that you're going to do that?

A lethal dose would have to be over 500mg, so you would have to drink 5+ml of base to get a lethal dose. This would of course be lower in children, but again, you're talking about having to drink it, not just get a few drops on your skin that can be quickly wiped off.

There is just a higher risk when you work with higher potency. with my 3-6mg I dont have to measure anything or worry about spilling or getting any on my skin. I just pour some of it in a bottle and add some flavoring.

This is where I employ the practice of care. I don't have to worry about spills or getting any on my skin because I am careful. I don't just sling the stuff around the room like a toy. Some simple, basic precautions are all that's needed. Keep a damp sponge or some damp paper towels handy to wipe up any drops you might let fall on the table, set your base bottle and mixing bottle right next to each other so you're not moving the liquids any distance over empty space, keep your liquids on the table and don't sling them around over the floor, use proper measuring devices like blunt tip syringes for measuring, the odds of an accident are virtually nill.

If you're so worried about a 100mg nicotine base then I would hate to see you try to care for a swimming pool, mixing volatile and corrosive acids and such.

 

[DennisBoyd123]

That is some serious scaremongering right there.

I think you RADICALLY overestimate the potency and effects of 100mg nicotine base. If you happen to get a few drops on your skin and immediately wipe it off you won't notice a thing. First, I think you fail to consider that one drop = 5% of a ml, so 1 drop of 100mg base is only around 5mg of nicotine. You would have to spill close to a full ml of base on to your skin and then let it sit there and soak into your skin for a while to feel any effect, and the rate at which it soaks in would reduced the overall potency of the nicotine. It wouldn't all soak in at once, it takes time. Maybe if you spilled a full ml on your arm and then just let it sit there for a half hour soaking in to your skin you might end up going to the ER, but what are the odds that you're going to do that?

A lethal dose would have to be over 500mg, so you would have to drink 5+ml of base to get a lethal dose. This would of course be lower in children, but again, you're talking about having to drink it, not just get a few drops on your skin that can be quickly wiped off.





This is where I employ the practice of care. I don't have to worry about spills or getting any on my skin because I am careful. I don't just sling the stuff around the room like a toy. Some simple, basic precautions are all that's needed. Keep a damp sponge or some damp paper towels handy to wipe up any drops you might let fall on the table, set your base bottle and mixing bottle right next to each other so you're not moving the liquids any distance over empty space, keep your liquids on the table and don't sling them around over the floor, use proper measuring devices like blunt tip syringes for measuring, the odds of an accident are virtually nill.

If you're so worried about a 100mg nicotine base then I would hate to see you try to care for a swimming pool, mixing volatile and corrosive acids and such.

TPA/TFA are The Perfumer's Apprentice/The Flavor Apprentice (same company) and HFM is high flavor mix.

thank you!

 

[VNeil]

Well, Well, Well you are a wealth of knowledge! Thank you for taking the time to write a insightful article! Wow! What is TFA,TPA and HFM?

TFA = The Flavor Apprentice
TPA = Perfumer's Apprentice

Both trade names of the same flavor maker and you will see those acronyms used interchangeably. Perfumer's Apprentice

HFM = High Flavor Mix (tried to indicate that in my post). Some people mix high proportions of flavoring (20-30% of final mix) in order to get instant gratification (tastes decent at time of mix). Others use lower percentages of total flavoring but that usually requires long steeps measured in weeks or even months. I'm 58 and I smoked for 40 years. I won't live long enough to figure out DIY if I have to wait a month or two to find out if something worked . I can do more tested and tasted DIY in one day using HFM than I could do in a year doing things that need steeping. Literally. But there are advocates of both approaches. When talking about cost, considering that flavoring is the most expensive ingredient, I just wanted to explain why my own recipes are on the relatively expensive end although it's still 3.5 cents/ml all said and done.

BTW, some advice, don't get all wrapped up or intimidated in the "art" of DIY. You can make great tasting juice very simply. Some PG/VG and NIC, and some TFA Strawberry & Cream will make something probably just as good as your local shop, because there's a good chance that's all they did for their Strawberry & Cream . Most flavors benefit from mixes of fruits (or other primary flavor), creams and sweeteners. But something like that basic TFA Strawberry & Cream is how I started out and it is at least pre-creamed. If you like tobacco tastes, I can't help because I intentionally got away from that to support my quitting attempt.

 

[alicewonderland]

Do you have any real world basis for your statements here or is this just stuff you read on the internet? For almost a year now, I've been mixing 100mg concentrate down to vaping levels, in bottles large and small, and never had any indication of poor mixing. I've even titrated some of the larger bottles, just to test all this Urban Myth stuff. I believe in testing rather than blindly adopting and repeating Urban Legends. My titrations, from different levels in a 250ml bottle, were perfect. I do try to plan ahead and give it overnight to mix naturally after I give it a good shake.

Same with small 10-15ml bottles. I often add a bit of 100mg nic, measured with a 1ml syringe (graduated in 0.01ml increments) and never had any sense of being off.

its not just nicotine... mixing stuff like this is done in chemistry and biology. Diluting a small amount of something in a large amount of something you have to mix good or you will get uneven concentration throughout the solution. This is why we use those 'mixers' or spinners in labs.

 

[VNeil]

its not just nicotine... mixing stuff like this is done in chemistry and biology. Diluting a small amount of something in a large amount of something you have to mix good or you will get uneven concentration throughout the solution. This is why we use those 'mixers' or spinners in labs.

Do you actually have any real world experience working with nicotine in concentrations greater than the 3mg you vape?

I ask because you seem to be all by yourself, arguing that this is so complicated and dangerous, yet you only mention using ready to vape levels of base. On the other side are a bunch of us, with actual real world experience, that manage to work with 100mg nic with no issues whatsoever, many including me without even bothering to use gloves after we learned for ourselves the real world deal here, and without a commercial chemistry lab complete with spinners and mixers. (some here use magnetic mixers, I never had a real world reason to spend the money, based on my own titration tests). This stuff is not hard to mix if you have an arm and a hand that can shake a bottle and 24 hours of patience to let it do a natural final blend.

 

[Alien Traveler]

That is some serious scaremongering right there.

I think you RADICALLY overestimate the potency and effects of 100mg nicotine base. If you happen to get a few drops on your skin and immediately wipe it off you won't notice a thing. First, I think you fail to consider that one drop = 5% of a ml, so 1 drop of 100mg base is only around 5mg of nicotine. You would have to spill close to a full ml of base on to your skin and then let it sit there and soak into your skin for a while to feel any effect, and the rate at which it soaks in would reduced the overall potency of the nicotine. It wouldn't all soak in at once, it takes time. Maybe if you spilled a full ml on your arm and then just let it sit there for a half hour soaking in to your skin you might end up going to the ER, but what are the odds that you're going to do that?

A lethal dose would have to be over 500mg, so you would have to drink 5+ml of base to get a lethal dose. This would of course be lower in children, but again, you're talking about having to drink it, not just get a few drops on your skin that can be quickly wiped off.





This is where I employ the practice of care. I don't have to worry about spills or getting any on my skin because I am careful. I don't just sling the stuff around the room like a toy. Some simple, basic precautions are all that's needed. Keep a damp sponge or some damp paper towels handy to wipe up any drops you might let fall on the table, set your base bottle and mixing bottle right next to each other so you're not moving the liquids any distance over empty space, keep your liquids on the table and don't sling them around over the floor, use proper measuring devices like blunt tip syringes for measuring, the odds of an accident are virtually nill.

If you're so worried about a 100mg nicotine base then I would hate to see you try to care for a swimming pool, mixing volatile and corrosive acids and such.

Do you actually have any real world experience working with nicotine in concentrations greater than the 3mg you vape?

I ask because you seem to be all by yourself, arguing that this is so complicated and dangerous, yet you only mention using ready to vape levels of base. On the other side are a bunch of us, with actual real world experience, that manage to work with 100mg nic with no issues whatsoever, many including me without even bothering to use gloves after we learned for ourselves the real world deal here, and without a commercial chemistry lab complete with spinners and mixers. (some here use magnetic mixers, I never had a real world reason to spend the money, based on my own titration tests). This stuff is not hard to mix if you have an arm and a hand that can shake a bottle and 24 hours of patience to let it do a natural final blend.

Very right things were said ^^^. We do not need over-scare new DIYers.

Potential dangers of 100 mg nic as I see them:
1. Not to save it in a safe place to prevent children and pets get access to it (yes, it can be deadly to them).
2. Spill large amount on a carpet where it is difficult to wash it out (it is why I am working with it in a room with a hardwood floor).
3. Working with 1 L bottle of 100 mg nic (if you spill it, you'll have a problem). It is why you need to work with it in a sink or (as I prefer) on a deck.

I do not use gloves, masks and I wear glasses anyway.

 

[Hoosier]

I got lost attempting to read this thread...

I know Nic. We are good friends. I keep bottles of his brothers Nic, Nic, and Nic in the freezer.

Here's to vaping with Nic!

(I really hate how my phone insists Nic must be capitalized.)

 

[Wow1420]

I got lost attempting to read this thread...

I know Nic. We are good friends. I keep bottles of his brothers Nic, Nic, and Nic in the freezer.

Here's to vaping with Nic!

(I really hate how my phone insists Nic must be capitalized.)

I can't believe it took 3.5 pages before someone took the easy layup shot.

If you knew Nickey, like I knew Nickey... Feel free to sing along. Eh, most of this crowd is prolly too young.

 

[jpasint]

theres a post here somewhere from a guy who accidentally swallowed some nicotine. during the middle of the night he went downstairs to get a drink, and took a drink out of his nicotine which he thought was a beverage, went out to the front of his lawn and passed out. woke up from a coma in the hospital days later. It may take more than people say to 'kill' a human, but its not just a white and black picture of you die or you dont die. You can fall off an X story building and survive, but you'll probably have some serious injuries that make your life not quite ideal for a certain amount of time (or permanently)

That story sounds a bit unbelievable for some strange reason.
But, you never know I suppose.

 

[Wow1420]

More than a bit, I think.

 

[Troll from behind]

That story sounds a bit unbelievable for some strange reason.
But, you never know I suppose.

Alas, like it usually is with "true horror stories" this one doesn't give all the details, like maybe the poor fella had a bleeding ulcers?
But yeah, weird thing can and will happen.


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[VNeil]

I found it a bit unbelievable too and when extraordinary claims are made like that, it's nice to have links, especially when claimed to have been sourced right here. If it is true, there is a huge element of Darwinian Selection involved. Maybe somewhere someone actually stores their nic in the fridge, in an unmarked soda bottle. And doesn't know the difference with the first swig from the bottle. Don't tell, me, eJuice tastes just like Pepsi or Mountain Dew?

Hint hint... AliceInWonderland... links or it never happened. So we can decide if the story is even credible. We've all seen tons of reports here that lacked credibility.

There are few modern consumer items that someone has not managed to kill themselves with. There are documented cases of people fatally ODing on Energy Drinks (easy google search). Of course, when it comes to PC products, no one cares about the 1:100,000,000. Only vaping is held to this special and unique zero tolerance standard.

 

[alicewonderland]

I found it a bit unbelievable too and when extraordinary claims are made like that, it's nice to have links, especially when claimed to have been sourced right here. If it is true, there is a huge element of Darwinian Selection involved. Maybe somewhere someone actually stores their nic in the fridge, in an unmarked soda bottle. And doesn't know the difference with the first swig from the bottle. Don't tell, me, eJuice tastes just like Pepsi or Mountain Dew?

Hint hint... AliceInWonderland... links or it never happened. So we can decide if the story is even credible. We've all seen tons of reports here that lacked credibility.

There are few modern consumer items that someone has not managed to kill themselves with. There are documented cases of people fatally ODing on Energy Drinks (easy google search). Of course, when it comes to PC products, no one cares about the 1:100,000,000. Only vaping is held to this special and unique zero tolerance standard.

Lol im not here saying nicotine is dangerous stay away form it OMG 100MG nic!. I've only stated that from personal experience with 36-48mg base, spilling some on my hands or accidentally sucking in some through a broken clearomizer gave me cramps and headaches. This was back years when I worked with 36-48mg nicotine base and vaped it in the old janky products we had back then that didnt deliver nicotine very well. Nicotine does kill pets, nicotine is dangerous. Nicotine can be absorbed through the skin and give you nicotine poisoning symptoms. Nicotine is high concentration at 100mg. Most reputable places that do sell 100mg nic state that it is dangerous and you should handle it in a proper way, they even reccommend gloves and protective eyewear.

All I am saying is that it is a hazardous material to work with and provided examples of some things going wrong (personal and stories ive heard on the board, am I saying that is the mass majority of what happens? No, those are what 'could' happen, drink a mouthful of 100mg nic? yeah you're gonna have some major problems but do I expect anyone to do that? no, accidentally spilling some on your hands while pouring big containers of 100mg nic? Accidentally dripping some 100mg nic on the floor for little animals to walk by and come in contact with? Those are more likely, but do I expect people to do that the majority of the time? No I dont, I'm just saying that the risks are there and if something does go wrong, it isnt just 'eating at a restaurant' type of hazard, it's more damaging. Responsibility and precaution is all that is needed, telling people 100mg nic is 'completely safe' or 'just as dangerous as eating at a restaurant' is not ideal.

You guys turned this into something completely different, like some kind of witchhunt for some anti 100mg nicotine hater.

 

[VNeil]

Where is that icon of a guy pedaling furiously, backward, when you need it?
LOL

 

[alicewonderland]

Where is that icon of a guy pedaling furiously, backward, when you need it?
LOL

pedaling backwards? i just said the same things ive said in previous post in one big post. Obviously some of you people like to take your salt in spoonfuls instead of grains. Some of the members on this forum are a huge joke, even ecr carries themselves in a more respectable matter than some of the tools on this forum. I'll probably just quit coming here there's no use trying to help new on here because even if someone disagrees with you the slightest, they just reply with something completely opposite just to try to prove you wrong. It's just {Moderated} of who is right and who is wrong. 100mg is not dangerous, 100mg is dangerous, its safe to spill on yourself its not safe to get drops on you, its not hazardous people say they mix it without gloves. Whatever honestly. No wonder tons of more respectable vapers have left ECF, its just a huge infestation of elitist attitude and {Moderated} contests.

Not that anyone cares, but this is my last post on ECF, this community here is just a joke. Bring the mass replies talking crap and trying to prove me wrong and put me down. I won't read them but i'm sure there will be many trying to get their last word in to make themselves feel superior.

peace out ECF. You did your job helping me get off vaping, now its time for me to move on from this festering cesspool.

 

[Alien Traveler]

...Not that anyone cares, but this is my last post on ECF, this community here is just a joke. Bring the mass replies talking crap and trying to prove me wrong and put me down....

Just a reminder: to prove wrong and to put down are two very different things.
For a record: I have been proven wrong more than once here, on ECF. Still alive.

You did your job helping me get off vaping, now its time for me to move on from this festering cesspool.

Thanks for voicing your opinion.

 

[Wow1420]

How about a view from some experts?

Nicotine High-Toxicity Myth Destroyed