I am one of those whom the FDA (if I'm not mistaken) loves to hate, because I started vaping (with nicotine) even though I've never smoked an anolog in my life (I thought it'd help with my stress and depression, and for my case, I was proven right, it might just be the placebo effect but who knows) but I too would recommend 0 Nic juice for anyone who are not already addicted to analogs.
Do you think it's okay for non-smokers to start vaping?
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IMO, it would be better for a non-smoker to start vaping than using analogs. Vaping is a much easier hobby to put down, analogs are a habit. I wish there had been some form of e-cig readily available when I started smoking...never would have had all the health issues I was starting to see.
An eGo kit with a Kanger tank bought separate would be a great starter system, a Vamo with a good Aero tank is even better.
An eGo kit with a Kanger tank bought separate would be a great starter system, a Vamo with a good Aero tank is even better.
One of my cousins who's never smoked is the only other person i know who vapes. She got started because one of her friends family's opened a vape bar in her hometown. She only vapes 0 nic juice and she loves it. I'm working my down to 0 nic slowly so i don't go all aggro at home but once I get to 0 nic i plan on continuing to vape. It's an enjoyable hobby and experience.
I use e-cigs because I was addicted to tobacco and wanted to vape indoors. If you haven't got a nicotine addiction then imho steer clear of vaping. Why develop a habit that you don't need? Even 0-nic vaping will develop into a habit and cost you money. I'm all for grown-up people making grown-up choices, but if the monkey isn't on your back don't encourage him.
That's weird. I have asthma and I feel like my overall breathing quality has degraded somewhat since vaping when compared with breathing nothing but clean air. I am having trouble with running.
That said, I was a very light smoker (3 cigs a day) who was getting to be a progressively more heavy smoker (up to 9 cigs a day). I had only smoked for 6 weeks before switching to vaping. I guess it was that while I could have stopped smoking, I like smoking and didn't want to. I think I could stop vaping and become a clean air breather once again (lol) but I like vaping too so I give myself permission even thought I don't *need* vaping to keep from smoking.
People start smoking for all sorts of reasons. Stress, to have something to do, to seem older, to be rebellious, etc. At least vaping is healthier and can still "address" some of those wants.
If your alternative was to start smoking cigarettes, then yes. If you had no interest in smoking then I could think of many other things you could spend your hard earned money on.
It's easy to be a 40 year smoker and say "no, I don't think so" but heck, I started smoking when I was 12. Many smokers started and were addicted before the age of 18. So I don't feel I can tell anyone "I did it and it was stupid, so don't be stupid like me. Don't start" because ...well, ...it didn't work for many of us when we were in the same situation. If it's vaping vs smoking then I can definitely say Yes.
It's easy to be a 40 year smoker and say "no, I don't think so" but heck, I started smoking when I was 12. Many smokers started and were addicted before the age of 18. So I don't feel I can tell anyone "I did it and it was stupid, so don't be stupid like me. Don't start" because ...well, ...it didn't work for many of us when we were in the same situation. If it's vaping vs smoking then I can definitely say Yes.
I think I just don't understand people who are against people starting to vape. Like. Yes, it can be a pretty expensive hobby. But...a lot of them are. I feel like it's almost this mindset of, "I need this for *so-and-so reason* and you don't so you shouldn't do it" which doesn't make sense to me. It's not like there's a limited amount of e-cigs or juice or anything, so why worry? I'd get it if there was, but right now, that's not an issue. If someone wants to vape and learn about all the sciency stuff and electricity and all that, good for them. If they want to get fast cars and learn about engines, that's cool too. I chose the former, personally.
Yes, that's what I was saying in a long-winded way. 
I won't say no because it didn't work for me when I was younger. And I belive I would be a lot healthier if e-cigs had been an option then and not just cigarettes that's for sure. People start smoking for many reasons. And I'd rather they vaped for those reasons like you say - de-stress/relax/distract/hobbying than smoking for sure.
I won't say no because it didn't work for me when I was younger. And I belive I would be a lot healthier if e-cigs had been an option then and not just cigarettes that's for sure. People start smoking for many reasons. And I'd rather they vaped for those reasons like you say - de-stress/relax/distract/hobbying than smoking for sure.
Do I think its okay?
Of course I think its okay as theyre adults.Its not my place or anyone elses to tell them whats best for them. They have to make that decision for themselves.
No one else is EVER capable of weighing all the various factors that affect an individual. Since we cant share in their exact perspective, life experiences and mitigating factors, that makes them and them alone uniquely qualified to make decisions that affect their lives.
Do I think Its smart if youve never smoked?
Now thats a different story altogether.
Of course I think its okay as theyre adults.Its not my place or anyone elses to tell them whats best for them. They have to make that decision for themselves.
No one else is EVER capable of weighing all the various factors that affect an individual. Since we cant share in their exact perspective, life experiences and mitigating factors, that makes them and them alone uniquely qualified to make decisions that affect their lives.
Do I think Its smart if youve never smoked?
Now thats a different story altogether.
For all y'all saying you'd have an issue with someone vaping who's never smoked before or that they shouldn't take on another "habit" or expense would you tell someone who's interested in purchasing a Dodge Truck or Chevy Tahoe that they should purchase a Toyota Prius instead? I mean to me it's the same kind of thinking. They'd be spending less money and putting less out into the air to breath. The question to ask though is that what makes THEM happy, is that what THEY want?
To me this just opens up a big can of worms. How can someone who vapes think that someone else shouldn't whether they smoked or not? How hypocritical is that? Where is the research to support that they'd be supporting this monster addiction and spending tons of money? How are we supposed to convince the world and FDA that it's ok to vape when so many in the community think a whole group of people shouldn't??
If your trying to say that their going to take on extra added expense due to their nicotine "addiction" what about the people who use a cheap ego, a Kanger they rebuild their own coils in and DIY their juice! I'm going to venture to say that it's not only possible but there's a LARGE segment of people out their who vape due to budget constraints if nothing else on less than a $100 a year and more would if they knew it was possible and how easy it is!
I buy top shelf juice, plenty of it, along with 5 monthly juice and hardware subscriptions, that's all true....but that's my CHOICE! I also don't drink alcohol or coffee anymore virtually....do people think the same when someone's really into coffee? Heck my Keurig was over $100 and to buy those pod things is over $10.00 a box, caffeine's a drug but are people going around saying you shouldn't start drinking coffee if you never had anything with caffeine in it! If people started added up how much they spend on products with caffeine in it I think they'd be pretty surprised. Occasionally I buy 5 hr's because I'm old and tired lol, one of those drink "shots" is $5!
If the goal in life is to spend the least amount of money possible then we've all failed, if the point is to not pick up any habits, well then I guess we all fail again. I'm probably not making as much sense as I'd like and I'll probably come back and edit because I just woke up, but this topic really get's to me. I think it's because hypocrites and double standards always have!
Update: Something I wanted to add since I've been up awhile and had to think some more on this. If nicotine in and of itself is sooo addictive, even compared to Kurt Cobain's and the likes D.O.C, than how is it so many can smoke cigars are even cigarettes occasionally, socially or at will? I already suspected nicotine wasn't the demon it's been made out to be, and perhaps it's because I don't even think cigarettes are as evil as most people do. However after my personal experience of leaving smoking behind for vaping, my eyes were really opened up to the vast differences between what you get in "e-liquid", essentially nicotine and flavoring, and vaporized, verses all the chemicals you take in when you combust and inhale cigarettes habitually. I don't "crave" vaping at all personally. I vape a lot at times no doubt, and I immensely enjoy it, but for very different reasons and experiences now. In the end of my smoking career I really didn't enjoy too many of the cigarettes I smoked out of the 2 1/2 packs a day I smoked. If I had to change brands because of availability, most of the time I liked the cigarette even less then. Now I regularly vape roughly 8 different e liquids because I actually ENJOY the flavor each and every time! The flavor and the calming experience the "act" of vaping provides along with the enjoyment I get out of my gear is what drives my vaping!
After I got past those first few days of vaping only, I really didn't have much tough of a time at all! Going from 2 1/2 packs a day sometimes 3 even, to 18 mg and even 12 mg/ml is a drastic drop in nicotine considering that I vape anywhere from 4 to 6 ml a day. So that's roughly the 60 mg I was taking in from cigarettes verses the 1/3 or 1/4th of the amounts of nicotine I'm absorbing from the e-liquids! When I switch to using 12 mg nicotine from 18 mg nicotine again I have no problems.
So my thoughts are that some people just easily get "addicted" to anything! Be it video games, porn, illicit chemicals, working out, people, you name it there is an "addiction" out there! I guess it helps to define what "addiction' is, but for my purposes I'm considering it something a person not only does habitually, but also invokes a chemical change in physiological processes AND causes detrimental consequences to the addicted person and others around them.
The thing about negative experiences is you're ALWAYS going to hear more about them and they[re ALWAYS going to have a greater impact. The thing about studies is there's ALWAYS a study to prove this or that, whatever one wishes to believe. The thing about beliefs is they carry MUCH more weight then facts, or I should say convictions at least! Whatever your bias is, or initial thoughts or opinions on any given matter is going to determine your experiences to some extent, depending upon the matter.
I guess I just really don't like blanket statements as much as I dislike double standards and hypocrisy. If smoking cigarettes caused cancer then EVERYONE who smokes, especially those who've smoked heavily would ALL have cancer or negative health consequences from it! Yet I have several family members and know of plenty more who smoked heavily and lived into triple digits without cancer, COPD or emphysema! Why is it people who DON'T smoke get asthma, COPD and lung cancer??
Arguably faulty genetics causes cancer, and living causes dying....
To me this just opens up a big can of worms. How can someone who vapes think that someone else shouldn't whether they smoked or not? How hypocritical is that? Where is the research to support that they'd be supporting this monster addiction and spending tons of money? How are we supposed to convince the world and FDA that it's ok to vape when so many in the community think a whole group of people shouldn't??
If your trying to say that their going to take on extra added expense due to their nicotine "addiction" what about the people who use a cheap ego, a Kanger they rebuild their own coils in and DIY their juice! I'm going to venture to say that it's not only possible but there's a LARGE segment of people out their who vape due to budget constraints if nothing else on less than a $100 a year and more would if they knew it was possible and how easy it is!
I buy top shelf juice, plenty of it, along with 5 monthly juice and hardware subscriptions, that's all true....but that's my CHOICE! I also don't drink alcohol or coffee anymore virtually....do people think the same when someone's really into coffee? Heck my Keurig was over $100 and to buy those pod things is over $10.00 a box, caffeine's a drug but are people going around saying you shouldn't start drinking coffee if you never had anything with caffeine in it! If people started added up how much they spend on products with caffeine in it I think they'd be pretty surprised. Occasionally I buy 5 hr's because I'm old and tired lol, one of those drink "shots" is $5!
If the goal in life is to spend the least amount of money possible then we've all failed, if the point is to not pick up any habits, well then I guess we all fail again. I'm probably not making as much sense as I'd like and I'll probably come back and edit because I just woke up, but this topic really get's to me. I think it's because hypocrites and double standards always have!
Update: Something I wanted to add since I've been up awhile and had to think some more on this. If nicotine in and of itself is sooo addictive, even compared to Kurt Cobain's and the likes D.O.C, than how is it so many can smoke cigars are even cigarettes occasionally, socially or at will? I already suspected nicotine wasn't the demon it's been made out to be, and perhaps it's because I don't even think cigarettes are as evil as most people do. However after my personal experience of leaving smoking behind for vaping, my eyes were really opened up to the vast differences between what you get in "e-liquid", essentially nicotine and flavoring, and vaporized, verses all the chemicals you take in when you combust and inhale cigarettes habitually. I don't "crave" vaping at all personally. I vape a lot at times no doubt, and I immensely enjoy it, but for very different reasons and experiences now. In the end of my smoking career I really didn't enjoy too many of the cigarettes I smoked out of the 2 1/2 packs a day I smoked. If I had to change brands because of availability, most of the time I liked the cigarette even less then. Now I regularly vape roughly 8 different e liquids because I actually ENJOY the flavor each and every time! The flavor and the calming experience the "act" of vaping provides along with the enjoyment I get out of my gear is what drives my vaping!
After I got past those first few days of vaping only, I really didn't have much tough of a time at all! Going from 2 1/2 packs a day sometimes 3 even, to 18 mg and even 12 mg/ml is a drastic drop in nicotine considering that I vape anywhere from 4 to 6 ml a day. So that's roughly the 60 mg I was taking in from cigarettes verses the 1/3 or 1/4th of the amounts of nicotine I'm absorbing from the e-liquids! When I switch to using 12 mg nicotine from 18 mg nicotine again I have no problems.
So my thoughts are that some people just easily get "addicted" to anything! Be it video games, porn, illicit chemicals, working out, people, you name it there is an "addiction" out there! I guess it helps to define what "addiction' is, but for my purposes I'm considering it something a person not only does habitually, but also invokes a chemical change in physiological processes AND causes detrimental consequences to the addicted person and others around them.
The thing about negative experiences is you're ALWAYS going to hear more about them and they[re ALWAYS going to have a greater impact. The thing about studies is there's ALWAYS a study to prove this or that, whatever one wishes to believe. The thing about beliefs is they carry MUCH more weight then facts, or I should say convictions at least! Whatever your bias is, or initial thoughts or opinions on any given matter is going to determine your experiences to some extent, depending upon the matter.
I guess I just really don't like blanket statements as much as I dislike double standards and hypocrisy. If smoking cigarettes caused cancer then EVERYONE who smokes, especially those who've smoked heavily would ALL have cancer or negative health consequences from it! Yet I have several family members and know of plenty more who smoked heavily and lived into triple digits without cancer, COPD or emphysema! Why is it people who DON'T smoke get asthma, COPD and lung cancer??
Arguably faulty genetics causes cancer, and living causes dying....
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