Doc's office says I can't vape before surgery tomorrow

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StormFinch

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Some studies have shown that nicotine interferes with healing, especially bones. Notice I stated 'some'. There are also studies going on that are looking at nicotine as a pain killer after surgery. Go figure. The problem with 'facts' about nicotine is that many articles intermingle the word 'nicotine' and 'smoking' and as we all know, they are two entirely different things.

To be on the safe side, follow your doctor's advise. Not easy but you can do it.

BTW, this is not directed at one poster. It happens here very often. Don't use Wikipedia as a source for anything. Nothing on Wikipedia is checked for accuracy and no teacher or professor will accept it as a source. Example: A poster here once linked to a Wikipedia entry that stated nicotine causes cancer. Just saying.

And then there's this; http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1850685/

This particular study floored the scientists. They took everything else into account and thought they would see a reduction in blood vessels and flow, turned out they saw new blood vessel growth. Just my honest opinion, but I believe previous studies never took the nicotine out of the smoking, something we're still fighting.

Personally, I had my thyroid removed almost a year ago by the head of a teaching hospital's surgical endocrinology and oncology department. I asked him specifically about vaping before the surgery and his comment was "vape away, it's not smoking."
 

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Listen to your doctor's advice, suck it up, and do what they say.

They are doctors, after all.

They're advising you to do what is optimally best in said situation. I would follow that advice implicitly.

do you know what they call someone who finishes dead last in his/her class of 1121 senior students at medical school?

doctor......
 

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The nurses have to say whatever they are told to say. If they would deviate even a little they would be liable. I miss the days when the nurses could give you their honest opinions about medical problems. They have so much hands on experience and knowledge and intuition. But they can't give any advice anymore it seems.

I would think smoking is a bigger risk than just nic. But I wonder how many patients have chain smoked on their way to surgery. Before every procedure I have ever had, 15 different people ask me if I have any allergies, or have I had anything to eat or drink. No one has ever asked me about nicotine. I am thinking that if nicotine itself were that big of a deal then twould make a much bigger stink about it, and it would be up there with no eating and drinking.

I have been told by more than one health professional that smoking significantly decreases the body's ability to heal. I can believe it, but no one has ever told me why.

If your blood pressure is too high they won't do surgery. So if vaping will make you stressed out enough to significantly raise blood pressure then you might be better off with vaping.

I would also consider what your procedure is. If you are going to get a cardiac cath then I probably wouldn't vape. If they are lifting your bladder (Sorry only example I could come up with lol) then I might not worry as much.

Blah blah blah...Sometimes I think I talk too much:blush:
 
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No, it's for real. Nicotine has a particularly bad effect on healing bones, due to the way it constricts blood vessels.

Don't be surprised if they tell you no nic for a while after the surgery, too. Better run (er, hobble) to a B&M and get some 0-nic!

This is interesting I've never heard about that before!
 

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I worked in surgery for over thirty years. It's easy to see who is a smoker and who is not just from the appearance of their tissues. Anesthesia people are particularly wary of smokers as their 02 saturation is below normal and the immediate post-anesthesia recovery is trickier.

Nicotine is a known vaso constrictor. Many surgeons will refuse to do certain surgeries unless their patient has stopped smoking or using nicotine. Primarily plastic surgeons who deal with soft tissue reconstruction and orthopaedic/neurosurgeons who deal with bones.

Certain foods also contain nicotine, primarily egg plant and tomatoes, but probably not in the quantity that would affect healing. Just a FYI.
 
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OK so a wonderful member here, who's local to me, has offered to make me a zero nic juice I can vape until I'm through surgery. How cool is that??? I should have thought ahead, but I guess I never really thought I wouldn't be able to vape. Lesson learned... and one more bit of evidence that the vaping community is freaking awesome :)

That is awesome! Big round of applause to the member rushing you the juice! People here are so wonderful! :)
 

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Did anyone even bother to read this scientific paper before commenting? The nicotine in this study was not inhaled, it was applied to a wound. It is not applicable to this discussion of vaping before surgery.

And then there's this; Nicotine Accelerates Angiogenesis and Wound Healing in Genetically Diabetic Mice

This particular study floored the scientists. They took everything else into account and thought they would see a reduction in blood vessels and flow, turned out they saw new blood vessel growth. Just my honest opinion, but I believe previous studies never took the nicotine out of the smoking, something we're still fighting.

Personally, I had my thyroid removed almost a year ago by the head of a teaching hospital's surgical endocrinology and oncology department. I asked him specifically about vaping before the surgery and his comment was "Vape away, it's not smoking."
 

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MikeZ28:11278202 said:
Per wikipedia: Nicotine increases blood pressure and heart rate in humans.

That'd be my guess as to why they say no nicotine. Neither would be good when having surgery.

It's not so much that. Heart rate and blood pressure can be dealt with easier, but healing processes can be delayed by how nicotine raises heart rate and blood pressure, vascular constriction.
 

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Did anyone even bother to read this scientific paper before commenting? The nicotine in this study was not inhaled, it was applied to a wound. It is not applicable to this discussion of vaping before surgery.

LOL, I came to the same conclusion about that paper. But as no-one commented on it I figured no-one else had read it ;)
 

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Out of curiosity, what about a person like myself that Vapes 6 mg nic. Just asking cause I might need to know one day. I admit I Vape a lot at 6 mg nic all day but just asking. Thanks! :)


I worked in surgery for over thirty years. It's easy to see who is a smoker and who is not just from the appearance of their tissues. Anesthesia people are particularly wary of smokers as their 02 saturation is below normal and the immediate post-anesthesia recovery is trickier.

Nicotine is a known vaso constrictor. Many surgeons will refuse to do certain surgeries unless their patient has stopped smoking or using nicotine. Primarily plastic surgeons who deal with soft tissue reconstruction and orthopaedic/neurosurgeons who deal with bones.

Certain foods also contain nicotine, primarily egg plant and tomatoes, but probably not in the quantity that would affect healing. Just a FYI.
 

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Did anyone even bother to read this scientific paper before commenting? The nicotine in this study was not inhaled, it was applied to a wound. It is not applicable to this discussion of vaping before surgery.

It was also injected intramuscularly in the case of ischemia as mentioned here:
Furthermore, in a murine model of hind-limb ischemia, intramuscular injections of nicotine increased capillary density, enhanced collateral size and number, and augmented blood flow.
but besides that, are you saying that it would then be perfectly okay to put a on a nicotine patch rather than vape before surgery? They both transfer nicotine into the bloodstream, and it's the nicotine itself being the most debated.
 
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