Does everyone really have an allergy to PG?

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These guys tend to start by making it for themselves and their buddies so they can vape 50ml a day on the cheap and so they buy cheap ingredients.

Good, levorotatory (not misspelled, look it up) nicotine is not cheap.
Good laboratory grade PG and VG are not (as) cheap.
Good flavoring cannot be purchased in the food aisle.

Here you are wrong on all but one account:
- Nicotine is cheap, and "gourmet" juices are made from the same nic that is sold on Internet by reputable suppliers for cheap (like $100 per liter of 100 mg nic).
- PG and VG that are used for vaping are not of "lab" grade. Lab grade is not clean enough. We use USP grade VG and PG.
- Only about flavorings you are partially right. But there are a lot of places selling flavorings for DIY - and for commercial users also.
 

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Here you are wrong on all but one account:
- Nicotine is cheap, and "gourmet" juices are made from the same nic that is sold on Internet by reputable suppliers for cheap (like $100 per liter of 100 mg nic).
- PG and VG that are used for vaping are not of "lab" grade. Lab grade is not clean enough. We use USP grade VG and PG.
- Only about flavorings you are partially right. But there are a lot of places selling flavorings for DIY - and for commercial users also.

I would have to argue that a "gourmet" juice is not necessarily a "good" juice. I'll be so bold as to submit that the only "good" juice is a clean juice.
Letting the status quo in the gourmet juice market govern your perception of what makes a juice "good" is unwise.

I might also posit that within a few years or so the gourmet juice market will be heavily scaled back when the FDA steps in due to their laissez faire attitude on cheap nicotine, flavorings and sweeteners.

From Wikipedia
"Nicotine is optically active, having two enantiomeric forms. The naturally occurring form of nicotine is levorotatory with a specific rotation of [α]D = –166.4° ((−)-nicotine). The dextrorotatory form, (+)-nicotine is physiologically less active than (–)-nicotine."
End Wiki article.

So you may glean that nicotine can exist in different states, the natural state being levorotatory. If you were to research further you would find that there is another problem, nitrosamines. Nitrosamines when left in nicotine will steadily build up and cause alkalinity and make you sick. It sticks in your fat cells and is generally recognized and not a good thing.

So, call up one of these juice companies and speak with a rep, ask them if they can describe the type of nicotine they use in their juice. (No cheating, you can't just lead them like a lawyer in court! ie "Hey is your juice levoratatory? Oh it is? Good, click") You may be surprised when they pass the phone around the office and you speak to the boss and then you speak to the boss's boss without a clear answer ever being given.
 

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When I first started vaping, it seemed like everyone sold juice that was 70-80% PG. I found it harsh to my throat. But I don't like too much VG either, as it makes my lungs feel heavy and it's harder to breathe. So I generally vape 50-50, or 60 PG 40 VG. That seems to be the sweet spot for me. But I wouldn't say I was allergic to either one.
 

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I would have to argue that a "gourmet" juice is not necessarily a "good" juice. I'll be so bold as to submit that the only "good" juice is a clean juice.
Letting the status quo in the gourmet juice market govern your perception of what makes a juice "good" is unwise.

I might also posit that within a few years or so the gourmet juice market will be heavily scaled back when the FDA steps in due to their laissez faire attitude on cheap nicotine, flavorings and sweeteners.

From Wikipedia
"Nicotine is optically active, having two enantiomeric forms. The naturally occurring form of nicotine is levorotatory with a specific rotation of [α]D = –166.4° ((−)-nicotine). The dextrorotatory form, (+)-nicotine is physiologically less active than (–)-nicotine."
End Wiki article.

So you may glean that nicotine can exist in different states, the natural state being levorotatory. If you were to research further you would find that there is another problem, nitrosamines. Nitrosamines when left in nicotine will steadily build up and cause alkalinity and make you sick. It sticks in your fat cells and is generally recognized and not a good thing.

So, call up one of these juice companies and speak with a rep, ask them if they can describe the type of nicotine they use in their juice. (No cheating, you can't just lead them like a lawyer in court! ie "Hey is your juice levoratatory? Oh it is? Good, click") You may be surprised when they pass the phone around the office and you speak to the boss and then you speak to the boss's boss without a clear answer ever being given.
It is good to have Wikipedia. If you read full article on nicotine you'll see that the naturally occurring form of nicotine is levorotatory. It is salts on nic that are usually dextrorotatory, which are of no consern really. I have heard (cannot confirm) that some juice manufacturers treat nic with minor addition of acid to revert part of it into salts, they claim it decreases harshness, if I remember correctly.
It is good to know that nitrosamines are of no concern for vapers. They are present in cigarette smoke but not in vapor (traces at best). Please, do not make an elephant out of a fly.
 
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It seems these days, everyone and their mother (who is now vaping by the way) has an allergy to PG. Its either a sore throat, headaches, this or that....

Is it just mass paranoia, like how everything thinks they are gluten intolerant now?


I KNOW some people are allergic to PG, but I just don't believe its 9 out of 10 vapers.

What do you guys think?

I can't speak for Anyone but Myself.

But for Me, if I use more than about 25% PG, I get that Dry Cough when I vape like what you get when you have a piece of Popcorn stuck in the Back of your Throat.

I'm not sure I would call that an Allergy. I just can't do Higher levels of PG without it making me Cough.
 

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This day and age allergies and sensitivities are cool and trendy for some dumb reason. I'm not trying to say no one has a sensitivity let alone an actual allergy to higher pg, imo the numbers are just over exaggerated.

It all started with kids who grew up with plastic water bottles...
 
Idk if anyone has said it because I want to put this dual build nichrome on my Kennedy V2, however, I keep catching interesting topics and want to donate my two cents to the well:

I think a large reason (and honestly the one that got me going for max VG,) that the community is asking for larger VG content, is that if you read any juice making guide by the old 'professional' juice makers, it would basically tell you that you wanted more pg for more flavor to a customer, more liquid(y) in a business/monetary standpoint.
The more pg, the faster your liquid goes simple as that. I find it to get to hot on my coils and cause a rasp in my throat. I also think that's what initially causes your 'vape tongue' by masking your taste buds (because of the irritation)
 

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It seems these days, everyone and their mother (who is now vaping by the way) has an allergy to PG. Its either a sore throat, headaches, this or that....

Is it just mass paranoia, like how everything thinks they are gluten intolerant now?


I KNOW some people are allergic to PG, but I just don't believe its 9 out of 10 vapers.

What do you guys think?
I don't have an allergy to it, before I went sub-ohm and got a high output tank I could vape 70pg all day, now that my mod produces way more vapor high pg gives me too much of a throat hit. Its that simple.

I vape anywhere from 70-75% vg exclusively these days.
 

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I switched to all VG in my DIY because my wife is nervous about PG. She has never shown any sensitivity to it, but in the last few years she has developed sensitivities to things that never bothered her before, like latex. She is afraid that constant exposure to PG will have a similar result, so we use vg only. It actually helps to make DIY that much simpler, and the VG has a naturally sweet taste so I don't need to add any sweetener.
Now, if I could just get her to give up the cigs...
 
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