Does this seem right to you?

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zoiDman

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Yeah, I'm sorry to say I voted for her in the past, not this last election, but previously. I can't be a single issue voter though, there are many republican views that I do not agree with, so my choice is usually democrat, or abstain... Or third party which basically amounts to abstaining.

I have Followed Diane F's career since She assumed office in SF after Moscone and Harvey Milk were Killed.

I'll just Keep my Opinions of Her to Myself and Not Post what I feel about Her. Because I hear the Sin Bin is a Cold, Dark Place.
 

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It is.

But we are Fighting for our e-Cigarette Lives here. And are Under Attack on Every Level. This type of Label does Nothing but Hurt our Cause.

I ask myself... "Why does a Retailer/Vendor need to use this Label in the First Place?". They are Not going to Sell any Less or any More e-liquid if they just used a Picture of a Cookie.

And if they Did, there Wouldn't be the Spector of trying to Entice Under Aged use of e-Cigarettes.
Because its made to grab your attention. Like any decent packaging. Heck, that label had already given them a huge amount of exposure just in this thread! I for one had never heard of this flavor, but it sounds pretty good now!

Why do companies use good looking women? Why are there so any brightly colored items with fancy packaging? Why do adult stores use bright fancy banners that grab your attention? It's marketing. And you can't really get mad at them for it. They're selling a product and tried to design a label that grabbed people's attention. It's as simple as that.

Teach your kids not to touch your eliquid. Both of mine know that. My youngest the other day asked me whatll happen if he smokes a cigarette. I told him that not only would he have to deal with me, but he could look forward to those lovely tar hacking sessions that he's seen me pull off the road and puke from. Scare em if you have to. Sometimes fear is a good thing.
 

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Teach your kids not to touch your eliquid. Both of mine know that. My youngest the other day asked me whatll happen if he smokes a cigarette. I told him that not only would he have to deal with me, but he could look forward to those lovely tar hacking sessions that he's seen me pull off the road and puke from. Scare em if you have to. Sometimes fear is a good thing.

My Position on this Doesn't Really have to do will Whether of Not Kids are attracted to e-Liquids.

My Position is Based on can we Expect any Support from Senators who will have the Power to Pass or call for Amendments to the coming FDA Rule Set for e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids.
 
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Are we villanizing B&Ms now? Is this something new?

I *had* wondered why the guy who runs the nearest vape shop seemed so unaware of and uninterested in ECF...

Maybe it's because they are busy all day (and probably into the evening) running a business?

Very few people I know have time to sit around on the internet.
 

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My Position on this Doesn't Really have to do will Whether of Not Kids are attracted to e-Liquids.

My Position is Based on can we Expect any Support from Senators who will have the Power to Pass or call for Amendments to the coming FDA Rule Set for e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids.
IE; You concede to losing that battle regardless of its merits or lack of...

Tapatyped
 

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I don't know who she is, but she has colder eyes than a serial killer.

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In the right light she wouldn't be such a scary looking person. Kinda like the light we saw in the caves up in Noel, MO when they turned off the lights for a few seconds to show us what dark really was :lol::lol:
 

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In the right light she wouldn't be such a scary looking person. Kinda like the light we saw in the caves up in Noel, MO when they turned off the lights for a few seconds to show us what dark really was [emoji38][emoji38]
But now you get to see real darkness.

Funny thing... its being rendered for you through a box that works via light pixels. [emoji38]

Tapatyped
 

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But now you get to see real darkness.

Funny thing... its being rendered for you through a box that works via light pixels. [emoji38]

Tapatyped
Yep, sadly this is even darker :(
 

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IE; You concede to losing that battle regardless of its merits or lack of...

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I'm not Conceding losing the Entire Battle. Far From it.

But the Chances of getting a Senator to Stand Up on the Senate Floor and say He/She is Against 18+ Age Limits for e-Liquids that contain Nicotine is ZERO. Zilch. Not even in the Realm of Reality.

Same with Any Perception of Marketing to Children.
Same with CRP.

These are Just Not issues that any Senator will fight for. Flame me if you Want. But I am just the Bringer of News. Not the Maker of the News.
 

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I'm not Conceding losing the Entire Battle. Far From it.

But the Chances of getting a Senator to Stand Up on the Senate Floor and say He/She is Against 18+ Age Limits for e-Liquids that contain Nicotine is ZERO. Zilch. Not even in the Realm of Reality.

Same with Any Perception of Marketing to Children.
Same with CRP.

These are Just Not issues that any Senator will fight for. Flame me if you Want. But I am just the Bringer of News. Not the Maker of the News.
Jman8 does not like this post.
Neither do a lot of others.

But yeah, Jman8 dislikes it the most.
Good thing there is no "dislike" button here.

But, unfortunately, you're probably right.
And only WE have the slightest chance of changing that outcome.
 

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I'm not Conceding losing the Entire Battle. Far From it.

But the Chances of getting a Senator to Stand Up on the Senate Floor and say He/She is Against 18+ Age Limits for e-Liquids that contain Nicotine is ZERO. Zilch. Not even in the Realm of Reality.

Same with Any Perception of Marketing to Children.
Same with CRP.

These are Just Not issues that any Senator will fight for. Flame me if you Want. But I am just the Bringer of News. Not the Maker of the News.
I agree that there is no way we will hinder/stop the 18+. I don't totally agree with it but I know we can't fight that one.

But for the love of God, please tell me how in the world do we even know how to interpret "the perception of marketing to children"? What does that even mean? Are we to sneak around and hide in a dark corner so that children won't see what we are buying/selling/using?
 

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Jman8 does not like this post.
Neither do a lot of others.

But yeah, Jman8 dislikes it the most.
Good thing there is no "dislike" button here.

But, unfortunately, you're probably right.
And only WE have the slightest chance of changing that outcome.

To a Realist. Sometimes a Win can be Not Losing Everything.

If we Can't get some Senators to pull for our side, the FDA Deeming and Rule Set is going to Sail thru Congress.
 

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My Position on this Doesn't Really have to do will Whether of Not Kids are attracted to e-Liquids.

My Position is Based on can we Expect any Support from Senators who will have the Power to Pass or call for Amendments to the coming FDA Rule Set for e-Cigarettes/e-Liquids.

So you'll give into a completely ridiculous argument in order to win (or think you win) another completely ridiculous argument? They're going to do what they want, regardless of whether we give them anything or not. Imo, giving in on something like this only reinforces their ridiculous mindset that they are right and we are wrong, regardless of what the facts actually say.

My thoughts, give them an inch and they'll take a mile (or 10 miles).
 

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Also, directing B&M customers to sites that will open their eyes...
Might open their eyes more than B&M owners would like...

And it's not just about DIY liquids.
It's about things like FastTech, and even ECF.

Yeah the one that gives me the heebee jeebees is see a fastech device for sale at a B&M for 20 times the cost from Fastech. (not too mention the guy saying it is an original)
 
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I agree that there is no way we will hinder/stop the 18+. I don't totally agree with it but I know we can't fight that one.

But for the love of God, please tell me how in the world do we even know how to interpret "the perception of marketing to children"? What does that even mean? Are we to sneak around and hide in a dark corner so that children won't see what we are buying/selling/using?

Take the Cartoon Figures off Bottles of e-Liquids that contain Nicotine, and we stand a Chance of Removing a Senators Perception on this.

With them on, and with what the Harkins, Boxer's and Diane F's are going to say, No Senator is going to side with us.

Go back and Re-Watch that Senate Hearing I have Posted about a Dozen Times in this Thread if you have any Doubts as to how things will be Used Against Us.
 
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