I have noticed here and elsewhere that one associates cheap and poor quality products with " Made In China". It's not actually true. Manufacturers in China are working with North American retailers to mass produce items according to the retailers specifications. It is the retailer who , in pursuit of exorbitant profits, want to pay the least possible per unit. Blame the retailer, not China. They are more than capable of making high quality items. "The russian" rba is proof of that. As well as many other things.
Don't blame China.
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There are a lot of products that come from China that are very poorly made, and have little to no quality control. There are a lot of them that are even sold directly from China, so it's not just North American retailers that cause this. This is why people believe that China stuff is crap. The irony, of course, is that there is plenty of stuff coming from China that is made well, so it's not all crap. Some of my favorite products that I use daily are manufactured in China. I collect Transformers (official as well as third-party well-made figures) and 100% of those have been made in China and a lot of them are great and very well-made. I think that people believe things made in China are more likely to have problems, manufacturing defects, poor quality control, etc. In reality, this is true at times, but not all the time. Also, most other companies advertise where their products made when they make a great quality product ONLY if it's not China since the stigma has existed for a long time.
All this goes without saying. The Chinese simply cost less to do these things. All of Apple's products are made there.
Everything else is Canada's fault.
Some of this "made in China means crap" goes back years and years. I remember when I was a kid (60-some years ago) stuff made in China was thought of as crap (and maybe was) and remember my parents checking out everything to make sure it was not stamped "made in China." But like Kodiak says--all Apple products and tons of electronics we use in everything every day are made in China these days.
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People that don't get it - Won't get it.
They assume because they bought Cheaply made Crap to save a buck that China only makes Crap.
I already know better and take every advantage.
People that don't get it - Won't get it.
They assume because they bought Cheaply made Crap to save a buck that China only makes Crap.
I already know better and take every advantage.
I also see a bit of an larger issue here as well regarding our currencies value. In 1975 I could buy a chocolate bar for a quarter that today costs a buck thirty. It's not the product that is worth more, it is that our paper is worth less (worthless?) Wages have been virtually stagnant, factoring in inflation, since the 70s. But the e stands for electronic, not economic ( although it could with money saved) . Bottom line is most people would not/cannot pay the extra for a product made in country. Cheap products from China fill that niche. Personally I choose quality no matter where it's made, the other 9 people are looking for a deal to save money to buy food , pay rent/mortgage and bills. While China is capable of manufacturing some good quality products, I do agree there is truly some amazing crap coming from there. LOL.
@ Kodiak LOL. Still a bit bitter about 1812, eh?
) Wages have been virtually stagnant, factoring in inflation, since the 70s. But the e stands for electronic, not economic ( although it could with money saved) . Bottom line is most people would not/cannot pay the extra for a product made in country. Cheap products from China fill that niche. Personally I choose quality no matter where it's made, the other 9 people are looking for a deal to save money to buy food , pay rent/mortgage and bills. While China is capable of manufacturing some good quality products, I do agree there is truly some amazing crap coming from there. LOL.@ Kodiak LOL. Still a bit bitter about 1812, eh?
Modern e-cigs were INVENTED by a Chinese pharmicist looking to save his own life after watching his dad die of smoking-related illness. Plus, Innokin, Smoktech, and KangerTech, to name a few, are Chinese companies that put out decent, if not good-quality vaping devices.
If you're talking about Chinese knockoffs or clones of American- or European-made devices, juice, and/or parts, you have a point that Made in China means crap. Otherwise, don't diss the legit Chinese companies.
If you're talking about Chinese knockoffs or clones of American- or European-made devices, juice, and/or parts, you have a point that Made in China means crap. Otherwise, don't diss the legit Chinese companies.
Not all Chinese made products are junk.
But a whole lot of it is.
And not all of their stuff is made to American designs either. Quite a lot of it is of their own designs and do not follow methods or use materials which would be considered safe in American products. This goes from lead paint in childrens toys to dog jerkey treats that kill hundreds of dogs to industrial grade materials being used in place of higher/safer/tested materials.
As with anything it's a case of Buyer Beware, and be aware of the vast amount of low quality cheap Chinese knock-offs.
But a whole lot of it is.
And not all of their stuff is made to American designs either. Quite a lot of it is of their own designs and do not follow methods or use materials which would be considered safe in American products. This goes from lead paint in childrens toys to dog jerkey treats that kill hundreds of dogs to industrial grade materials being used in place of higher/safer/tested materials.
As with anything it's a case of Buyer Beware, and be aware of the vast amount of low quality cheap Chinese knock-offs.
I don't see the revisionism.
I see the sentence start with the word "Modern", as in the type currently in use. Herbert A. Gilbert's patent involved boiling flavored water and included no nicotine.
I'm more than happy with all my Chinese-made Joye products. IE: Eroll batteries and PCCs, Ego C usb passthroughs and standards, Joye CC clearos/tanks, Type A atties, charging cables and blocks. If its a Joye product, I trust it. One qualification though. I only buy from reputable vendors who sell Joye products. I don't know if any of them are sold on Fastech (sp?) or if Joye off-loads what doesn't pass QC to places like that. I wouldn't think so but don't know.
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I am a huge fan of kanger tanks and innokin mods so I agree that lumping all items together is a rather unfair generalization. It all comes back to getting what you pay for, and that is true anywhere. There are items made in america that fall apart at the slightest misuse just like China, but here those companies tend to die a quick death as they are not enough cheaper to warrant the delta. Just my 
I don't have an issue with original designs made in China but I do have issue with blatant theft of copywrite/patented designs. I own Innoken and other Chinese made mods and peripherals but I would not own a Caravela/Kick/DNA/Stingray/Kayfun/etc clones on a bet.Using someone else's designs is bad enough but using the logos is plain fraud. I currently have mods ranging from a Megalodon to a couple Hana mods, over 70 devices in all but none are clones.
Mods are not the only things ripped off by Chinese manufacturers btw, pocket are another huge clone market with Spyderco, Buck, Chris Reeves, and other high end and custom makers being ripped off.
Mods are not the only things ripped off by Chinese manufacturers btw, pocket are another huge clone market with Spyderco, Buck, Chris Reeves, and other high end and custom makers being ripped off.
There is a demand and the Chinese mfg's are stepping up to meet it at a reasonable price. I understand there is a lot of complicated economic "stuff" that goes into what's happening but in a nutshell it's demand and price. What I don't like to see is like Absintheur mentioned the copying logos, serial numbers, etc. I don't see how U.S. patents will be enforced in China though.
MADE IN JAPAN used to carry the same kind of negative connotation back in the 1950's and 60's. Sony and Toyota began to change all of that.
The truth is that good design, materials and QC are quite variable with Chinese-made products. Some stuff is excellent while some isn't. A blanket statement like "all Chinese products suck" is just lazy thinking.
The truth is that good design, materials and QC are quite variable with Chinese-made products. Some stuff is excellent while some isn't. A blanket statement like "all Chinese products suck" is just lazy thinking.
I'm getting kind of sick of seeing "China sucks!!!" all over the board. I'm half Chinese. There are a lot of great things that came from China. You can not dismiss everything that comes out of one of the largest countries in the world as all "junk".
please please...let us not get upset over this. cant we all agree on one point?
Antarctic-ans suck. let us unite there.
evil penguins.
Antarctic-ans suck. let us unite there.
evil penguins.
Question for you folks ....
Lets say you needed to have a heart valve replaced with an artificial valve. The surgeon performs open-heart surgery and does the delicate replacement of the valve in order to save your life.
Given the choice, would you select a valve made in China, or one made in the US?
Lets say you needed to have a heart valve replaced with an artificial valve. The surgeon performs open-heart surgery and does the delicate replacement of the valve in order to save your life.
Given the choice, would you select a valve made in China, or one made in the US?
Actually, Chinese laws are much looser-goosier than our copyright and patent laws. It's just a difference between our two cultures and histories.
How about something simpler ... Your building a new house.
What do you want ... Chinese drywall or American drywall?
What do you want ... Chinese drywall or American drywall?
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