A great man once said " there is no profit in the cure, the profit is in the comeback " ... I think some physicians chant this like a Mantra before they head into work.
Don't blame China.
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A great man once said " there is no profit in the cure, the profit is in the comeback " ... I think some physicians chant this like a Mantra before they head into work.
There are plenty of adults who work very hard, did everything "right" and are still living paycheck to paycheck. I don't know where you live, but I live in a place called reality. Were you not here for the recession? Did you not see what happened to millions of people who were laid off from their jobs, only to find that the only jobs left in some areas were retail positions in Walmart making minimum wage?
Ouch - that probably hurt!Your perception of reality is rather convenient, and self serving, no?... I don't recall anyone here on this board "complaining" about the price of quality gear, as you put it.
I do find however, that many feel compelled, sometimes even forced to defend, and explain why they are unwilling to pay the price, that you seem to have a vested interest in making known that you have paid for your vape gear ... which obviously doubles as some part of your identity, and a large portion of your self esteem. You do understand that is quite clear to most don't you? But I guess that is the thing about self deception eh?
It is too bad that those who lack genuine intelligence, and an authentic sense of self esteem cannot buy these things as well. This World is cluttered with paper Kings, and their flammable Kingdoms. Basic creatures who redress their innate sense of inferiority with supposedly high quality goods ...
How much did your esteem and Kingdom cost? ..
I feel sorry for those of the nature, and type, which is bought, and sold. Nothing that can be bought, or sold lasts forever you know... just ask Lindsay Lohan. She has expensive taste too.
I do find a sort of perfection in your avatar though ... a Big Mod, and a small, basic creature. How fitting that the mod is bigger than the creature.
A good avatar should reflect, and express who we are. ;-)
To some extent I can relate to those who feel a sort of disdain when it comes to counterfeits, because I, admittedly harbor a profound disdain for counterfeit Humans ... true story.
I still wouldn't mind asking Lindsay Lohan for her opinion though...
Honestly, when it comes to the clone argument I'm seeing, a majority of the very high-priced items are over-inflated by retailers due to supply and demand. Some mods I've seen have limited runs and are even more expensive than the exact same item. They are collector's items. When something is over-inflated by a retailer, the people who made it don't get any extra money. A lot of mods are a tube with a button on the end, or on the side, etc. They aren't horribly complicated and certainly aren't made out of materials that warrant the exorbitantly high prices. They simply look nice and people, therefore, want them. There aren't enough to go around because the original designer didn't have enough produced, so clones crop up and fill in the gap. It's a very simple and natural thing that happens. It's happening all over the US right now in grocery stores. How many stores have "store brand" products that are pretty much identical to the name brand products but cheaper. In a lot of cases they look very similar in their packaging because they want that association with the original brand.
Personally, I would prefer clones without the exact detailing and/or brand names on them. The Npmpsis mod that was recently posted in the Focalecig thread comes to mind. I think I would love that because it doesn't say Nemesis, so it's clear that it's not the "real" thing. The reality, though, is that the designs and symbols on the tube are the only thing that distinguish many mods from other mods.
How much does a Nemesis, a Chi You, or a Caravella cost? Now how much does a Smoktech Magneto cost? There's a reason. The Magnetos are readily available and easy to find because there are so many of them. They're not a clone, but they cost $50, which I see as a reasonable price. They'll probably work just as good as a Nemesis or the rest, but they don't LOOK like it. If that's the look I want, I can see picking up a clone due to the unreasonable inflated prices the other "tubes with designs" cost.
The only time I have a problem with clones is if the seller attempts to pass them off as the real thing. From what I've seen, that doesn't happen very often. They are almost always labelled as "clone" when they are sold and I feel that covers the fact that they are not from the original creator.
Personally, I would prefer clones without the exact detailing and/or brand names on them. The Npmpsis mod that was recently posted in the Focalecig thread comes to mind. I think I would love that because it doesn't say Nemesis, so it's clear that it's not the "real" thing. The reality, though, is that the designs and symbols on the tube are the only thing that distinguish many mods from other mods.
How much does a Nemesis, a Chi You, or a Caravella cost? Now how much does a Smoktech Magneto cost? There's a reason. The Magnetos are readily available and easy to find because there are so many of them. They're not a clone, but they cost $50, which I see as a reasonable price. They'll probably work just as good as a Nemesis or the rest, but they don't LOOK like it. If that's the look I want, I can see picking up a clone due to the unreasonable inflated prices the other "tubes with designs" cost.
The only time I have a problem with clones is if the seller attempts to pass them off as the real thing. From what I've seen, that doesn't happen very often. They are almost always labelled as "clone" when they are sold and I feel that covers the fact that they are not from the original creator.
Ok so you say I am confused, (which might be correct) and that I am parroting about what I heard someone say without verifying the actual facts (which is absolutely correct), Now since I like to learn from my mistakes, and correct myself when I am wrong, and apologize when I make a mistake, could you please shed some light on your facts? like where did you learn your version of the facts and where can I verify it so that we are all in the same page?
It was actually the engineer behind the design, the actual maker himself, the other partner was the business end (useless in other words
Sorry but you are all wrong. Yes it is good to do some simple research.......
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NorCal VaperDude "Thanks! Can you clarify then, what's the Russian in relation to the Kayfun? Knock-off, clone, totally different?"
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SvoeMesto "Where ever it has come from, it was not from a former or current associate of our company."
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Pot, meet kettle.
By the way, where exactly did you get your "actual facts"?
The Russian rumor regarding the "fallout" took on a life of it's own and took many peeps with it...lol.
So basically, it is a very well made clone of the Kayfun? That's sure what it sounds like.
So basically, it is a very well made clone of the Kayfun? That's sure what it sounds like.
You're welcome.
So very true!
Personally, I think the rumor was most likely started by the company that makes the Russian. Repeat a rumor often enough and people will start to believe it.
Yup, call it a clone, knockoff, whatever you like, it is a stolen design.
Interesting about how the rumor started. It always amazes me how rumors originate and then go wild. Seems peeps will only hear what they want to or what fits with their version of the story....lol.You're welcome.
So very true!
Sure got awful quiet here.....
Wonder if the Kayfun people might of done a "back alley" deal with a mfg in China? Sell or "license" their plans to get a quality mass produced version of the Kayfun out there? Only problem with that idea is the pricing isn't much less. Oh well.... it was a thought
Wonder if the Kayfun people might of done a "back alley" deal with a mfg in China? Sell or "license" their plans to get a quality mass produced version of the Kayfun out there? Only problem with that idea is the pricing isn't much less. Oh well.... it was a thought
Sure got awful quiet here.....
Wonder if the Kayfun people might of done a "back alley" deal with a mfg in China? Sell or "license" their plans to get a quality mass produced version of the Kayfun out there? Only problem with that idea is the pricing isn't much less. Oh well.... it was a thought
Judging by the amount of clones coming from China I'd rule out the licensing thing, as if they'd need it
, I still believe the huge price is just a smart marketing strategy. Copy...well no, steal a design, add something slightly different, give it a name and sell it as an original, at "original" preices, and voila, and you make a ton of money. Kebo is a distributor, the Russian box reads "brought to you by kebo" doesn't say "manufactured by Kebo" and comes in a box that resembles the one that reads you know "together best cooperation"
There is also the UCT (Upper Class Technology) somehow involved in the Kebo mix. That logo is on the box. It was smart of someone to pick up on the Russian thing and run with it. They literally made their own "original" the way they did it.
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