Rip Off?

[trog100]

sanneke, I think we should save all of our dead atomizers and batteries and make some chunky-funky diva jewelry with them. Probably wouldn't feel so bad when they bite it.

think about my soon to grow pile of pipe atomizers.. beautifully carved and polished expensive looking genuine wooden bowls with nice brass internals.. all dead cos the [censored] who make the damn things dont have the savvy or feel the need to make them with cheap to replace screw in atomizers..

insensitive bugger that i am it does grieve me seeing all this nice work go to waste..

trog

 

[karenwest1961]

think about my soon to grow pile of pipe atomizers.. beautifully carved and polished expensive looking genuine wooden bowls with nice brass internals.. all dead cos the [censored] who make the damn things dont have the savvy or feel the need to make them with cheap to replace screw in atomizers..

insensitive bugger that i am it does grieve me seeing all this nice work go to waste..

trog

I am visualizing Christmas ornaments.

 

[leaford]

No thanks.

 

[sanneke]

sanneke, I think we should save all of our dead atomizers and batteries and make some chunky-funky diva jewelry with them. Probably wouldn't feel so bad when they bite it.

I'm saving mine, a couple of years from now they will be considered to be antiques, and worth a couple of laughs.

Oh, that's how they worked way back then.

 

[NerdyCinderella]

No thanks.

There's no real Xmas in San Fran is there?

 

[trog100]

one thing we all should be aware of.. the people who sell these thing think they will make their money from selling the consumables.. the carts in essence..

even the cheap (good value) UK pillbox chap thinks this.. the money is in the consumables..

take the njoy five year guarantee.. its financed by their five dollar cart prices.. at 1 ml per cart this equate with liquid at 5000 dollars per litre or around 22,500 per imperial gallon.. hmm.. some profit.. it seems e liquid has taken over from printer ink as the world most expensive liquid.. he he

as for the basic five year guarantee thing.. in my simple world i think the length of the guarantee should relate to the expected life of the product.. i think the basic hot wire heater coil technology at the heart of our e-cigs has a lifetime expectancy of around one month at most for a heavy user like me..

this is the simple reason i wont pay big money up front and buy into the five year guarantee system.. i also think the original ruyan product was aimed at what i would call the occasional restaurant user.. well off people who wanted to impress their friends and be able to smoke while out at dinner.. used this way the product could last for ages..

where it all goes wrong is with the likes of me.. people who want to (cost effectively) replace their 30 a day real smoking habit with e-smoking.. the product was not designed with the likes of me in mind.. its quite simply not up to the job.. the five year guarantee becomes a nonsense.. so does the 22.500 dollar price per gallon for the needed consumables..

its not the product thats at fault.. its the likes of me abusing it and the silly people who sell them to the likes of me not making it clear what the product is suitable for.. which is quite clearly not the likes of me.. he he

trog

 

[Lady Python]

I too am a heavy smoker, both of tobacco cigs and now e-cigs.

Let's put this into context. Yes, the money is made on the consumables but...look at the cost of a packet of cigs in the UK. I paid £5.57 for a packet of 24 today. My e-cig is broken at the moment (my fault, not anything to do with the e-cig), over the weekend since Friday night I've forked out in the region of £20 already. Add that up for the rest of the week and I'd be paying out £45 - £50 in total or £200 per month8-o

Even with the consumables, the e-cig only costs a fraction of that - and I can smoke it anywhere

That's why I'm ordering another e-cig later today. It'll pay itself back within two weeks.

 

[trog100]

I too am a heavy smoker, both of tobacco cigs and now e-cigs.

Let's put this into context. Yes, the money is made on the consumables but...look at the cost of a packet of cigs in the UK. I paid £5.57 for a packet of 24 today. My e-cig is broken at the moment (my fault, not anything to do with the e-cig), over the weekend since Friday night I've forked out in the region of £20 already. Add that up for the rest of the week and I'd be paying out £45 - £50 in total or £200 per month8-o

Even with the consumables, the e-cig only costs a fraction of that - and I can smoke it anywhere

That's why I'm ordering another e-cig later today. It'll pay itself back within two weeks.

yes but i thought about the cost of UK cigs years ago and have been useing Belgium imported rolling tobacco for quite a number of years.. e smoking no matter how clever i am cant save me money..

mind u at my height of foolishness.. i used to smoke sixty park drive none filter tipped a day.. i think they are around 7 quid (14 dollars) a packet now.. that would be twenty quid a day or 140 quid a week (280 f-cking dollars) at todays prices.. frightening.. he he

trog

ps.. the best i recon i can do is equal the cost of half an ounce of UK priced rolling tobacco per day.. let me say about 12 to 15 quid a week.. acceptable for me..

 

[sanneke]

8-o
Oh my the initional cost of starting this e-vaping/smoking/what ever.


I know my health is better after using these devises after 3 + months.

At the position I'm in right now, I might spend 50 bucks a month on carts.

I used to spend well over 100 bucks on cancer sticks.

I'm good.

 

[vapors]

This is a great conversation and is relevant to my current situation of choosing my next purchase.

If atomizers die after a month of use, my experience so far this is spot on. Batteries seem to taper off too, if not completely die after heavy use aswell.

Do most "brand" suppliers provide free replacements on a monthly basis? because of not then the cheapest generics seem like a better choice.

 

[leaford]

This is a great conversation and is relevant to my current situation of choosing my next purchase.

If atomizers die after a month of use, my experience so far this is spot on. Batteries seem to taper off too, if not completely die after heavy use aswell.

Do most "brand" suppliers provide free replacements on a monthly basis? because of not then the cheapest generics seem like a better choice.

Most Brand Name sellers offer a one year guarantee, so they will replace any parts that go bad, whether that's every month, or not. I have had a couple brands require me to return the bad parts first before sending out replacements, but most of them send out the replacement first, and include a return envelope for the bad one. SOmetimes they won't even ask for the bad part back, but I don't think that's anyone's official policy.

Smaller, independant sellers usually offer a more limited guarantee, like 14 days, or a month.

But, no, noone does it automatically on a monthly basis.

 

[vinnie138]

Hello,
I'm new to this forum and wanted to know what is wrong with the DSE101

 

[Kit]

Hello,
I'm new to this forum and wanted to know what is wrong with the DSE101

Ask darcy mate he will be happy to help you im sure

 

[CaSHMeRe]

Please, no racial remarks. Thread has been edited to delete the bickering and also edited to remove the racial comment.

 

[tribalmasters]

well I am totally confused reading to this point ahh well, hope my ecig is charged!

 

[karenwest1961]

I started a new thread in a different forum about Recycling atomizers.

Check it out.

 

[CaSHMeRe]

To The Top She Goes ...

 

[McSocker]

am i late for this discussion??...

anyway IMO, i think that as long as my expenditure on e-smoking is equivalent or lower than that of tobacco smoking, i'm satisfied...

and in the case for brand-names vs generics, for me it still boils down to which one brings me cost-effectiveness... i just need a good smoke to get by... i dun need a great smoke... and so far generics (yes.. mine from the everybody-dreaded ecig.com) has proven to be an adequate relief for smoking, in this area i root for trog's argument.

and things differs even in geographical terms... yes in this area goes to leaford. i envy that you guys in the US of A has got a brand name offering excellent replacement service for all those failing parts, but this cannot be replicated to others in other countries... pardon me if i'm wrong.... cos when international shipping comes into the picture, i bet they will raise the already inflated prices of their products even further in order to cushion all these costs to replace parts... i will be willing to pay a little more to get a better smoke, but i will never splash multiple times the amt i'm spending for it... btw for wat i spent on the package i paid for, a similar package from Njoy would cost me nearly 3 times the amt...

So for now, ecig.com still gets my money... hopefully more good years ahead

btw thanks to the olympics, batteries are added with e-liquids to the ban list for sale. if any of my equipments die now, i'll be going back to carcinogens for the time being......

 

[TropicalBob]

You know, when it comes to transportation from Point A to Point B, you can drive a Ford Focus or a Bentley Brooklands. They're both cars. They both get a job done.

If the Focus suits you and is all you can afford, that's what you'll drive. You'll never know what a Bentley is like to own and drive. Just don't make the mistake of thinking there are not much better -- far more costly -- options for those who want the best and will pay for it.

There really are differences among e-devices. Just as with the cars I test drive.

I might even argue that customer service, honoring guarantees, making good on problems is worth a great deal. If you want to cobble together a cheap Frankensmoker, then things like that won't enter your consideration. But my frustrations have a price. And never doing business with E-Cig is a cost of lousy products and service from them.

 

[trog100]

You know, when it comes to transportation from Point A to Point B, you can drive a Ford Focus or a Bentley Brooklands. They're both cars. They both get a job done.

If the Focus suits you and is all you can afford, that's what you'll drive. You'll never know what a Bentley is like to own and drive. Just don't make the mistake of thinking there are not much better -- far more costly -- options for those who want the best and will pay for it.

There really are differences among e-devices. Just as with the cars I test drive.

I might even argue that customer service, honoring guarantees, making good on problems is worth a great deal. If you want to cobble together a cheap Frankensmoker, then things like that won't enter your consideration. But my frustrations have a price. And never doing business with E-Cig is a cost of lousy products and service from them.

they used to say that about Lexus and BMW bob.. in fact they used to say that about everything made in japan.. u sound a bit like what the english would call a snob bob.. the bottom line is people that buy these kinda cars do so simply to say they can afford them.. they are a mark of status.. they say "i have arrived" they really have nothing to do with getting from A to B..

dont take this as racial please moderator.. but the americans seem wierd people to me.. they seem to be happy to pay 200 dollars for a 1 dollar product as long as when it goes wrong the seller sends em another 1 dollar product with a smile on his face.. they seem completely unaware they are being ripped of right from the start..

us english (i wont take my own words as racial.. he he) seem to accept that they cant get or expect the same service when they only pay 3 dollars for the 1 dollar product in the first place..

its the same with the freedom of speech concept.. the english see it as the right to answer their "betters" back.. the americans who have no concept what a "better" even is think it means they can say what they like without anyone saying they are talking rubbish.. he he

please i like u dude and please dont take offence but i think u are in essence cutting of your nose to spite your own face.. i think u are taking your dispute with e-cig to silly extremes.. in short u are being petty

this is about principles.. but just cos i end up with a cracked cup from my anything for a pound shop dosnt mean i should never buy from such a place again..

bob with the greatest of respect u are being very elitist in your atitude..

me.. i have to put down my principles if i dont want to pay 200 dollars for the 1 dollar product.. i have to accept the guy who sells me the 1 dollar product for 3 dollars laffing at me cos i complain when he dont leap to attention when i ask him for another one..

but one thing i will never do is let any bugger charge me 200 dollars for 1 dollar product in the first place no matter how much he kisses my ..... give me the the anything for a pound shop guy any time.. in short long live e-cig and the likes of em..

trog