"Don't do that in the house!"

[cassavetes]

The whole time while visiting my sister, I vaped outside just because she has young kids, and even though she knows it's not a true cigarette, she worried about the vapor being near her 1 year old.

I didn't fight it, just respected her wishes and vaped outside.

I can totally understand someone not familiar with e-cigs thinking that there had to be something harmful in the vapor. I still usually vape in the smoking sections of areas, or outside with the smokers during smoke breaks. More a force of habit than anything.

 

[crashtestjeep]

Most USA made juice uses: Glycerin, water, flavoring, propyline glycol.



Thats whats in my TastyVapor liwuid, anyway

Hows it going btw? Any luck since last post on progress w ur partner?

 

[TaketheRedPill]

TW does on the side of their 30ml bottles, to wit I shall list them from my 36mg camel flavored bottle

tobacco essence oil 5%
tobacco leaf oil 5%
Nicotine (from leaf tobacco) 3%
2,3,5 Trimethylpyrazine 1%
2,3,5,6 tetramethylpyrazine 1%
2,5 Dimethylpyrazine 1%
Acetypyrazine 1%
Methol butyic acid 1%
Terp ineol 1%
Ethyl maltol 1%
Guaiacol 1%
Acetyl pyridine 2%
Octalactone 1%
Pure Water 10%
Propylene Glycol 65%
Glycerol 20%

.....
Keep on vaping OP and stand your ground. You're doing this for you. You don't need anyone else's approval, you're a grown woman!

Thanks for posting that, Chris - along with Shadowwulf's post, it's a good conversation starter.

I know that there's studies somewhere done by the 'no smoking while driving' group that got a law passed where if you have kids or elderly in the car you can't smoke (in, of course, "liberal" Calif). It gave a percentage of nicotine and other chemicals that are supposedly in the car's atmosphere; there's similar studies done in an office environment where people smoke, and they've been used as a basis to ban smoking.

People have been indoctrinated over several decades to think noxious chemicals/nicotine when they see cigarettes (or anything resembling a cigarette). So, we have the 'sell' with the ingredient list, but we just don't have the 'close' on the deal. We need mirror studies to compliment the ingredient list - something concrete we can break out that says, ok, the exhaled residual nicotine is this much less, and breaks down in x-minutes/hours as opposed to cigarettes; the exhaled-VG evaporates from surfaces in xhours/days and the exhaled-PG vapor will not screw up your fabulous big-screen tv electronics or stereo or whatever etc. It's not quite a strong enough argument to say, well, look at this label, I'm getting less chemicals with my nicotine - it leaves people hanging. We haven't the tools to describe to them what's in it for them - why it's a win-win situation - and that's a big handicap for vapers.

Suzz - it seems your partner is also concerned you're going to increase instead of decrease your nicotine. It's easy to look at the checking account and say, ok, you're going to the cigarette store every 10 days and buying one carton or two cartons. That's right there in black and white. It's something verifiable. It's harder when we're vaping, because we're ordering this model and that, and this flavor over here and that flavor from there. And we're accumulating all these things. To someone who's looking in from the outside, it's not very measurable how much nicotine we're actually ingesting.

Using cartomizers or sticking to carts or using a 3ml bottle or whatever, you could maybe be able to work something out where you can say, ok, I'm doing two of these a day, or 10 of these a day, or half of this vial a day, and that's equivalent to x cigarettes - I'll put the empties here, so you can see for yourself that I am not increasing my intake. I wonder if that might help your partner visualize in a tangible way that you really are not increasing your intake or tolerance?



TTRP

 

[chrisl317]

Thanks for posting that, Chris - along with Shadowwulf's post, it's a good conversation starter.

I know that there's studies somewhere done by the 'no smoking while driving' group that got a law passed where if you have kids or elderly in the car you can't smoke (in, of course, "liberal" Calif). It gave a percentage of nicotine and other chemicals that are supposedly in the car's atmosphere; there's similar studies done in an office environment where people smoke, and they've been used as a basis to ban smoking.

People have been indoctrinated over several decades to think noxious chemicals/nicotine when they see cigarettes (or anything resembling a cigarette). So, we have the 'sell' with the ingredient list, but we just don't have the 'close' on the deal. We need mirror studies to compliment the ingredient list - something concrete we can break out that says, ok, the exhaled residual nicotine is this much less, and breaks down in x-minutes/hours as opposed to cigarettes; the exhaled-VG evaporates from surfaces in xhours/days and the exhaled-PG vapor will not screw up your fabulous big-screen tv electronics or stereo or whatever etc. It's not quite a strong enough argument to say, well, look at this label, I'm getting less chemicals with my nicotine - it leaves people hanging. We haven't the tools to describe to them what's in it for them - why it's a win-win situation - and that's a big handicap for vapers.

Suzz - it seems your partner is also concerned you're going to increase instead of decrease your nicotine. It's easy to look at the checking account and say, ok, you're going to the cigarette store every 10 days and buying one carton or two cartons. That's right there in black and white. It's something verifiable. It's harder when we're vaping, because we're ordering this model and that, and this flavor over here and that flavor from there. And we're accumulating all these things. To someone who's looking in from the outside, it's not very measurable how much nicotine we're actually ingesting.

Using cartomizers or sticking to carts or using a 3ml bottle or whatever, you could maybe be able to work something out where you can say, ok, I'm doing two of these a day, or 10 of these a day, or half of this vial a day, and that's equivalent to x cigarettes - I'll put the empties here, so you can see for yourself that I am not increasing my intake. I wonder if that might help your partner visualize in a tangible way that you really are not increasing your intake or tolerance?



TTRP

First off money - where I used to spend $13 a day on 2 packs of smokes, I now spend about 13.50 a week vaping. A 30ml bottle lasts me 2 1/2 weeks. Subtract maybe about $200 I've spent on equipment, I'm still $1800 ahead. She doesn't smell it anymore, it doesn't stink up the house anymore, my mouth doesn't taste like an ashtray, and now in the summer time I go on bike rides with her. My overall health appears to have improved and she doesn't have to clean out my ashtrays anymore. There's more smaller little personal reasons, but, overall, she's happy I switched. As any married man knows, when the wife's happy, he's happy. It's all good!

 

[Stephaniems]

I really don't think it matters to her partener whats in the ecigs, she doesnt want the "act" of smoking around her and like everyone else has demonized nicotine when in reality its no worse then caffeine.

I'm starting to think the poster that bought up being controlling is correct.

I wish the OP the best of luck with it all.

 

[SuZamme]

I have continued the dialogue with my partner, even though I am so PO at the surprising lack of support.
Her last statement was "enjoy your addiction".
I will NOT be changing my course as far as vaping vs analogs. I am doing this for myself and where it would have been nice to have the support at home, like one of the posters to this forum stated, I have the support of all you vapers and there are far more of us than "the thems" in our worlds.

My partner and I have taken this discussion to email, a way that we have found to resolve issues more completely and less volatile as we both added our interpretation of each others expressions, body language etc. into the mix of the topic under discussion rather than just what we each were saying.

So, I did a nice little presentation of the list of the 4000 ingredients in butts vs the listed ingredients of the TW camel and the USA simple ingredients list and finished with the statement about me doing this for myself and I would appreciate her support although lack of it will not deter me.

It really touches me to hear your stories of your own experiences in your family/friends etc. and I am feeling so very supported by all of you. THANK YOU!
It is amazing that we are finding ourselves in such an intense battle as we choose to not smoke analogs and yet still enjoy the "act", some with nicotine and some without any nicotine.
Was there this mass outcry and was there threat of legislation when the patch was introduced or the nicorette gum? Did families have members being told they could only wear their patch outside and not bring it into the house? Did patch wearers at work have to only wear them in designated "nicotine areas"?
Vape on!!!!!

 

[chrisl317]

I have continued the dialogue with my partner, even though I am so PO at the surprising lack of support.
Her last statement was "enjoy your addiction".
I will NOT be changing my course as far as vaping vs analogs. I am doing this for myself and where it would have been nice to have the support at home, like one of the posters to this forum stated, I have the support of all you vapers and there are far more of us than "the thems" in our worlds.

My partner and I have taken this discussion to email, a way that we have found to resolve issues more completely and less volatile as we both added our interpretation of each others expressions, body language etc. into the mix of the topic under discussion rather than just what we each were saying.

So, I did a nice little presentation of the list of the 4000 ingredients in butts vs the listed ingredients of the TW camel and the USA simple ingredients list and finished with the statement about me doing this for myself and I would appreciate her support although lack of it will not deter me.

It really touches me to hear your stories of your own experiences in your family/friends etc. and I am feeling so very supported by all of you. THANK YOU!
It is amazing that we are finding ourselves in such an intense battle as we choose to not smoke analogs and yet still enjoy the "act", some with nicotine and some without any nicotine.
Was there this mass outcry and was there threat of legislation when the patch was introduced or the nicorette gum? Did families have members being told they could only wear their patch outside and not bring it into the house? Did patch wearers at work have to only wear them in designated "nicotine areas"?
Vape on!!!!!

Glad to hear you stood your ground! You tried, we all here know you tried. You approached this emotionally, then intellectually and your partner still wouldn't budge, but you held firm. You're doing good and for all the right reasons. Success feels good, don't it? Feel good about yourself, screw everybody else that wants to bring you down!

BTW, big money to be had is why no one challenged the patch. No money to be had is why vaping has come under fire.

 

[SuZamme]

Thanks for asking about an update...it is my 11:16 this morning post. I am still a little challenged as far as just what order and where these posts seem to land.
The dialogue continues and I am reminding myself that this issue is about me. Whether or not I get support from my partner, won't be altering my "vape attack" on analogs.
I do have all you fabulous vapers on ECF sharing your stories and so very generously adding your wisdom and support.

 

[chrisl317]

Thanks for asking about an update...it is my 11:16 this morning post. I am still a little challenged as far as just what order and where these posts seem to land.
The dialogue continues and I am reminding myself that this issue is about me. Whether or not I get support from my partner, won't be altering my "vape attack" on analogs.
I do have all you fabulous vapers on ECF sharing your stories and so very generously adding your wisdom and support.

just look at the time stamp of the post in the upper left hand corner of the post, it'll tell you when it was submitted.

 

[Taryn]

Honestly it seems to me that your partner being an ex smoker who kicked the habit feels vaping is keeping your addiction and the easy way out. I'm not sure that is an attitude you can work around with facts and reasoning. Nicotine it's self is just a stimulant like caffeine. We don't shame coffee addicts!

Sometimes you just have to agree to disagree.

 

[SuZamme]

Agreeing to disagree is good.
Compromise is not, however, a word in my partners working vocabulary when it comes to any issues she considered core values of hers. This would still leave hanging the issue of me vaping inside.
I will also probably need to assume the posture of your avatar from time to time (just for myself, of course). lol
At least my humor has returned. Thanks.

 

[Shortstuff116]

SuZamme, you want support? You've got mine. That "Enjoy your addiction" comment was not necessary and shows me a clear lack of it.

36+ years of smoking and an electronic cigarette saved my life - I quit instantly just twenty-nine days ago.

I quit smoking for MY health. I vape for MY own gratification. Period.

 

[chrisl317]

SuZamme, you want support? You've got mine. That "Enjoy your addiction" comment was not necessary and shows me a clear lack of it.

36+ years of smoking and an electronic cigarette saved my life - I quit instantly just twenty-nine days ago.

I quit smoking for MY health. I vape for MY own gratification. Period.

I was a two pack a day smoker for over 32 years. Within the first week I was down to a pack, middle of the second week 5-7 cigarettes, not a day, for the week. By the end of the second week I was off cigarettes completely and haven't gone back. Every time I look at my smoke counter I smile, it feels good to finally screw Uncle Sam back!

 

[Paranoyed]

SuZamme, I understand where you are coming from. For years I have wanted to quit getting the negative aspects of smoking you know health, money, and smell, but I have always enjoyed smoking. The hardest conversation I had to have with my wife, which we still argue about, is that I enjoy the act and do not want to quit "smoking" so I found a healthier alternative. Now most days go by with no issue but every once in awhile she has to sneak a glib comment in that really irks me. My goal is to end nicotine all together I do not know if I will end vaping or not for now though I enjoy it and will continue.

 

[SuZamme]

Very well put. I do also enjoy the act and not the ugliness of analogs by products - health, smoke, smell, etc.
I don't know what it is that hooks me with my partner not being content knowing that I am becoming a non-analog smoker in my own way.
Today she decided to say that she thinks maybe her headaches during the last 10days might be coming from me vaping.
Now, I vape in my own room/office and that's it right now. I started vaping seriously starting the middle of October.
I suggested she eliminate the other possible causes. The chances are slim that my vaping in a completely separate room, is causing her headaches. Maybe her non-supportive insistence that I not vape in our home is the cause.
I feel that what I am doing is for me. I have no story going on in my head right now beyond vaping instead of analogs. Perhaps I may let go of the nicotine part in the future...not an issue I choose to dwell on right now.
Vape On!!!

 

[mergryphon]

I fully understand how difficult it is to quit smoking. I smoked for 20 years before I quit and it wasn't easy to stop but it is do-able when you decide to do it."

You know, I would hazard a guess that this is the issue. She did it the hard way, perhaps in her mind you are 'cheating'. Silly, but I've come across a lot of ex-smokers who think this is the 'easy' way out.

Or maybe she still has occasional cravings, we've all experienced that quitting or trying to, something can drag you back even after years without them. And the vapor is triggering that.

 

[chrisl317]

Very well put. I do also enjoy the act and not the ugliness of analogs by products - health, smoke, smell, etc.
I don't know what it is that hooks me with my partner not being content knowing that I am becoming a non-analog smoker in my own way.
Today she decided to say that she thinks maybe her headaches during the last 10days might be coming from me vaping.
Now, I vape in my own room/office and that's it right now. I started vaping seriously starting the middle of October.
I suggested she eliminate the other possible causes. The chances are slim that my vaping in a completely separate room, is causing her headaches. Maybe her non-supportive insistence that I not vape in our home is the cause.
I feel that what I am doing is for me. I have no story going on in my head right now beyond vaping instead of analogs. Perhaps I may let go of the nicotine part in the future...not an issue I choose to dwell on right now.
Vape On!!!

You beat her, you stood your ground, she lost control. Now she using anything she can to regain that control. We've help you empower yourself and she can't stand it. It's that simple.

I've been in Computer Technical Support for about 7 years and have helped over 112,000 people (we had to keep track). This was not help desk support over the phone. This was in my office face to face with anyone and everyone who had a computer/network/software/ hardware and even a recreational electronic device problem. I got to know people and how they can be very well. I know what I'm talking about when it comes to people's behavior. She's not comfortable anymore, things have changed for you that are beyond her control and she doesn't like it. Now she's trying to be conniving, my next guess will be deceit, then denial.8-o

 

[TaketheRedPill]

I was a two pack a day smoker for over 32 years. Within the first week I was down to a pack, middle of the second week 5-7 cigarettes, not a day, for the week. By the end of the second week I was off cigarettes completely and haven't gone back. Every time I look at my smoke counter I smile, it feels good to finally screw Uncle Sam back!

My counter has kept me going! 120 days down, working on the next 120 days.

Suzz - maybe your SO is getting headaches because of guilt - she knows she is pressuring you at a time when she knows she should be supporting you and it's manifesting as headaches. You just keep up the good work and stay focused on not smoking. And get a counter!! you'd be surprised how good it makes you feel to sign on and refresh that number and watch it grow and grow

TTRP

 

[SuZamme]

The update to this thread is that I have suggested that she look at the other possible cause of her headaches and eliminate those and get back with me.

This vaping is a journey that is working for me and going outside to vape is not an option as it does diminish one of the positive benefits of letting go of analogs and vaping instead...not having to be outside in the rain and cold.

I am so thankful for everyone's support here on ECF.

Your comments, insights, and stories have really added to my own awareness of how important it is to me to let go of analogs permanently. They are NOT "my friend" anymore.
Vape on!

 

[Hellen A. Handbasket]

Good for you! Glad things are working out ok for you.