Dr Konstantinos Farsalinos study Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarettes on WebMD

[Painter_]

Very positive post on WebMD.

"Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarettes": Smoking Cessation Community - Support Group

 

[Kent C]

To put it another way, it took an hour of puffing on even an advanced electronic cigarette to obtain the same blood nicotine concentration that could be obtained by smoking a cigarette for 5 minutes.

... and they 'worry about second hand vapor'

 

[Stosh]

The complete article is here....Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new-generation devices : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

Some of the takeaway surprised me...

New-generation EC devices were more efficient in nicotine delivery, but still delivered nicotine much slower compared to tobacco cigarettes. The use of 18 mg/ml nicotine-concentration liquid probably compromises ECs' effectiveness as smoking substitutes; this study supports the need for higher levels of nicotine-containing liquids (approximately 50 mg/ml) in order to deliver nicotine more effectively and approach the nicotine-delivery profile of tobacco cigarettes.

 

[sonicdsl]

The complete article is here....Nicotine absorption from electronic cigarette use: comparison between first and new-generation devices : Scientific Reports : Nature Publishing Group

Some of the takeaway surprised me...

New-generation EC devices were more efficient in nicotine delivery, but still delivered nicotine much slower compared to tobacco cigarettes. The use of 18 mg/ml nicotine-concentration liquid probably compromises ECs' effectiveness as smoking substitutes; this study supports the need for higher levels of nicotine-containing liquids (approximately 50 mg/ml) in order to deliver nicotine more effectively and approach the nicotine-delivery profile of tobacco cigarettes.

I was surprised to see that too. However, it did explain why once in awhile (even though it has been quite some time now), I "needed" an NJOY Red to get through an occasional rough spot. Normally my level is 1.2%; I believe NJOY Red is 4.8%?

 

[Painter_]

I know I started with 24 mg/ml and had no problem. I was a PAD person. I do not think that I could of handled 50 mg / ml. My head would be spinning.

 

[Jman8]

I know I started with 24 mg/ml and had no problem. I was a PAD person. I do not think that I could of handled 50 mg / ml. My head would be spinning.

One of the first times I ever vaped, it was 12 mg, and it reminded me of my first time smoking. Got light head, momentarily dizzy and thought this is just too strong. That was two years ago and for 98% of the time, I've been vaping 18 mg ever since. I've tried 24 mg, and found it too strong for my tastes. Double that, and I'm not sure what would happen to me.

I like the idea of drawing the line, politically, at 50 mg, and then after lots of back and forth coming down to 36 mg as a compromise.

 

[Steamer861]

I have bin saying this all along if you want to quite smoking get some good equipment

These results suggest that all electronic cigarettes are not the same. More advanced e-cigs may be significantly more effective in helping smokers quit and helping them to stay off smoking.

 

[Kent C]

One of the first times I ever vaped, it was 12 mg, and it reminded me of my first time smoking. Got light head, momentarily dizzy and thought this is just too strong. That was two years ago and for 98% of the time, I've been vaping 18 mg ever since. I've tried 24 mg, and found it too strong for my tastes. Double that, and I'm not sure what would happen to me.

Watch it. "What's her name" may be watching and your symptoms will end up on one of her hit pieces. lol

 

[Painter_]

Watch it. "What's her name" may be watching and your symptoms will end up on one of her hit pieces. lol

When you smoked how many times did you get light headed from that first smoke of the day? Same thing.

If she is reading this I started at 24 about 95 days ago, I stopped smoking 90 days ago, today i am vaping between 0 and 6 with no cravings. Vaping works other NRT products do not!

 

[MorpheusPA]

Watch it. "What's her name" may be watching and your symptoms will end up on one of her hit pieces. lol

She Who Shall Not Be Named is always watching. She's like a peeping Voldemort, but without the charm.

I had the same initially in the mornings and stepped down my nic levels to compensate. You know, roughly the same way I don't drink three cups of tea in the morning because it makes me feel weird.

 

[edyle]

One of the first times I ever vaped, it was 12 mg, and it reminded me of my first time smoking. Got light head, momentarily dizzy and thought this is just too strong. That was two years ago and for 98% of the time, I've been vaping 18 mg ever since. I've tried 24 mg, and found it too strong for my tastes. Double that, and I'm not sure what would happen to me.

I like the idea of drawing the line, politically, at 50 mg, and then after lots of back and forth coming down to 36 mg as a compromise.

I'm more of a 0 nic vaper, but I'd have erred on the side of non interference and drawn the line at 100mg.

 

[Kent C]

She Who Shall Not Be Named is always watching. She's like a peeping Voldemort, but without the charm.

I had the same initially in the mornings and stepped down my nic levels to compensate. You know, roughly the same way I don't drink three cups of tea in the morning because it makes me feel weird.

I get hiccups ('early warning') at anything above @20mg now. Started at 24mg....

 

[MorpheusPA]

I get hiccups ('early warning') at anything above @20mg now. Started at 24mg....

I stepped up until I didn't want a cigarette, which was at 22 mg/ml (I was doing DIY already at the time). Over time, I've dropped that to 5 mg/ml and never noticed I did it. Except very rarely, but it usually went away very fast.

I find my slide toward zero is slowing at the moment, but I think it's the completely depressing weather.

 

[Kent C]

I stepped up until I didn't want a cigarette, which was at 22 mg/ml (I was doing DIY already at the time). Over time, I've dropped that to 5 mg/ml and never noticed I did it. Except very rarely, but it usually went away very fast.

I find my slide toward zero is slowing at the moment, but I think it's the completely depressing weather.

I'm between 6 and 11mg (also DIY mostly) and actually want some nic in the bloodstream - keeps focus I'll likely never go to zero but at this point I think I could. Vapor and flavor is the main reasons why I vape now.

 

[sebt]

The complete article is here....
Some of the takeaway surprised me...

[from article]
New-generation EC devices were more efficient in nicotine delivery, but still delivered nicotine much slower compared to tobacco cigarettes. The use of 18 mg/ml nicotine-concentration liquid probably compromises ECs' effectiveness as smoking substitutes; this study supports the need for higher levels of nicotine-containing liquids (approximately 50 mg/ml) in order to deliver nicotine more effectively and approach the nicotine-delivery profile of tobacco cigarettes.

That is extremely relevant to what just happened to us in Europe this week. In case you're not following the story, the EU Parliament voted to approve the TPD which limits liquid strength to 20mg/ml. With no scientific basis whatsoever.

(Please do follow the story - these health zealots in government are like sheep, so what our idiots in the European Commission do one week, your idiots in the FDA will be doing the next week. Perhaps "naughty children" rather than "sheep" would be a better analogy though - they see what the others can get away with, and then misbehave themselves. Not that we're going to let the EC get away with this! )

 

[AgentAnia]

She Who Shall Not Be Named is always watching. She's like a peeping Voldemort, but without the charm.

I had the same initially in the mornings and stepped down my nic levels to compensate. You know, roughly the same way I don't drink three cups of tea in the morning because it makes me feel weird.

Steamer861 gave me my first warm fuzzy of the day with her/his avatar, and now you've given me my first belly laugh with your "peeping Voldemort but without the charm" comparison!

(still laughing!)