E-Cigarettes Deliver Little or No Nicotine, Study Finds
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Well, as long as I'm not getting 10X the nic I think I am, then all's good. I do love the idea that all of us who quit cigs did so because of a placebo effect... but I've already nic-OD'd a few times when testing new V4L flavors, bouncing off the walls late at night unable to stop. No placebo there, my friends.
I think VK should take some of it's advertising money and profit, set up a simple test room and perform some test for all of us that wanna know. I also think it would be a good Idea to even make a small donation towards this testing. I mean how expensive can it realy be to pay a biologist and a scientist to run a few test and post there results on vaping and Nicotine in the system and weather its harmful or not. The big tobacco companies have been running these test for years as well as the FDA.
jeffree, i agree... i mean, i would think it's awesome to find out i've been totally duped... but i don't believe it. *shrugs* i know on 'OMFG ORDER IS HERE' day when i have a bunch of new flavors to try, i get the twitchies cause i just can.not.wait. 
My serum and urine levels were ~80% of what they were this time last year when I was still smoking.
As a licensed competitive cyclist, just about everything you could put into your body ends-up tested for, even at non-nationals-levels, voluntarily by the teams themselves.
Even my caffeine levels get tested - and going over the allowed amount would kill me for sure - and that's from a person who believes she has too much blood in her caffeine-stream...
I vape more than I smoked, and there's still 20% less (not measuring bio-availability but simple volume present), so clearly in my case it's not _as much_ but "little to none"? I haven't had a cigarette in a couple months! How else would you explain how that nicotine got there, when it would have been nearly completely turned over in a week...
As a licensed competitive cyclist, just about everything you could put into your body ends-up tested for, even at non-nationals-levels, voluntarily by the teams themselves.
Even my caffeine levels get tested - and going over the allowed amount would kill me for sure - and that's from a person who believes she has too much blood in her caffeine-stream...
I vape more than I smoked, and there's still 20% less (not measuring bio-availability but simple volume present), so clearly in my case it's not _as much_ but "little to none"? I haven't had a cigarette in a couple months! How else would you explain how that nicotine got there, when it would have been nearly completely turned over in a week...
The thing that's really maddening (if you hang out a lot in the larger forum and read all the damned reports) is that the people who actually KNOW all about ecigs, experientially, TONS about ecigs, and some of whom have been vaping for years - are all over the place in ECF. Where's the longish term study on people who have been vaping steadily since 2007? The misinformation campaign is head-banging stupid. First it's calling PG anti-freeze. Then it's calling an unmeasurabely tiny trace of something in one cartridge "deadly poisons in ecig liquid". Then it's just throwing around the word "unknown" all covered skulls and crossbones. Now it's saying... no nicotine? Elsewhere saying "nicotine! oh no!! nicotine!!!
It does remind me of 1968 ... jeez, they can put a rat and a substance in a blender and write a report that makes headlines based on the outcome. And law.
It's chaos disinformation. They're good at it.
It does remind me of 1968 ... jeez, they can put a rat and a substance in a blender and write a report that makes headlines based on the outcome. And law.
It's chaos disinformation. They're good at it.
From some one that tried patches and wanted to chew on them it seems odd I could get fooled that I'm not getting enough nicotine from e-cigarettes
In that case they probably also found that sucking on a LED light helps fight cavities...lmao
Like everyone else, I believe (heck, I know!) that report is bogus.
All I have to do is take my blood pressure. There is a vast difference between 45 - 60 minutes without vaping and the reading I get right after I vape.
Total BS.
All I have to do is take my blood pressure. There is a vast difference between 45 - 60 minutes without vaping and the reading I get right after I vape.
Total BS.
Isn't Virginia a huge tobacco producing state? If this was done at the U of V, I wonder where the funding came from? (big tobacco?) If I know anything about research it's that almost all research is slanted towards results that the funder is looking for. Otherwise, they lose the funding. Pure research is almost non-existent.
JD - good call. Agreed - we always need to look for the bias(es) in any study. I'd like to see their data and specific setup. Without that, it's just hear-say, and utterly worthless.
PawPaw - You have to go through Ultra Violent to get to Infra Dead, right?
PawPaw - You have to go through Ultra Violent to get to Infra Dead, right?
My serum and urine levels were ~80% of what they were this time last year when I was still smoking.
As a licensed competitive cyclist, just about everything you could put into your body ends-up tested for, even at non-nationals-levels, voluntarily by the teams themselves.
Even my caffeine levels get tested - and going over the allowed amount would kill me for sure - and that's from a person who believes she has too much blood in her caffeine-stream...
I vape more than I smoked, and there's still 20% less (not measuring bio-availability but simple volume present), so clearly in my case it's not _as much_ but "little to none"? I haven't had a cigarette in a couple months! How else would you explain how that nicotine got there, when it would have been nearly completely turned over in a week...
well, that's proof enough for me.
i'm not surprised it was lower, though... and that's a relief, considering that i vape a lot more than i smoked, too. i'm less concerned now that i'm constantly increasing nicotine use.
Someone in another sub-forum, quite some time ago, a chemist, determined that there was nicotine in the E-Cigs he tested. Roughly the amounts stated on the liquid bottles.
But someone else, (I forget what he did for sure but he was speaking authoritatively), pointed out that we don't absorb nearly as much from vaping as we would from a real cig. The reasoning was that the carbon monoxide in an analog binds with the nicotine and is absorbed more readily by the lungs.
There were some other good points there but I don't remember them.
But someone else, (I forget what he did for sure but he was speaking authoritatively), pointed out that we don't absorb nearly as much from vaping as we would from a real cig. The reasoning was that the carbon monoxide in an analog binds with the nicotine and is absorbed more readily by the lungs.
There were some other good points there but I don't remember them.
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