E-juice at high temperatures (or sub ohms)

[jcalis1394]

Good morning Reoville, how's this fine weekend going for ya'll?

Me? Just staring at this mess I call a desk . Recently (but at the moment didn't really think it needed a thread) I've gotten a hold of some of FuZion extremely tasty e-juices. They are exotic alright, gave hope that I can find ADVs there (also hovering over Ahlusion) Here's the thing, they don't do well at sub ohms (0.5-0.6 ohms) I got Unicorn's Blood and the taste after firing it for the first time was pretty good, after that, it starts tasting off. I built a 0.9 ohm micro coil (Nichrome 26g, 14 wraps) and now it's tasting really good, but the vape is not as warm as I'm used to. So is there e-juices that simply don't do well at higher temperatures or sub ohms?

The other one from them, Ectoplasm, that one was a show. My cotton didn't like it, doesn't matter how many wick setups I tried, it would dry up in 3 seconds after flooding it, and burn and split the cotton in half. Adding 30% extra PG seemed to easy the issue, but it doesn't seem to play well with cotton and sub ohms.

I'm still holding off until I get SS mesh. But in the meantime, anybody knows anything about this sort of thing?

 

[Dturp]

Good luck hopefully someone here knows more ideas then what you already tried.

 

[jcalis1394]

Well, nevermind that. It seems it's not low ohms, but rather the REO bottle. I dripped both from the REO bottle and the juice bottle on the sink, the colors were different. One was a much more pure red (the REO bottle) and the other one was more of a pinkish red (the juice bottle) The flavors were different, I just did a 0.4 ohm on one of my sealed RDAs and it tasted superb. The tubing was brand new, the only thing left over was the cap (that I extremely cleaned), although maybe flooding it after a dry hit gets that burnt taste back into the bottle. I'll keep trying, but that seems to be it.

 

[jcalis1394]

I'm having quite the hard time here. So this is what appears to be happening. When I squonk some of the heated juice gets mixed with the fresh juice giving me that off not so tasty flavor. Here's the thing, this didn't happen with any of the 10+ flavors that have gone through my REOs. This juice seems to taste bad when heated (Unicorn's Blood) There's only one thing that could remedy it, and that'd be using a different RDA that feeds the juice through the post not allowing it to go back down, so pretty much not leak proof. Guess it's time to get my hands on modding my sealed RDAs because the juice is indeed one of the tastiest ones I've had, but I don't know what FuZion puts in them that makes at least this one react really bad to heat.

 

[Big Hitter]

Glad your figured it out. To me all juices taste awful under 1 ohm
Two of my favorites from AVE taste better above 1.4 even .....

 

[jcalis1394]

Glad your figured it out. To me all juices taste awful under 1 ohm
Two of my favorites from AVE taste better above 1.4 even .....

To me it's the opposite the flavor sparks more as I go lower (doesn't apply at 0.3 ohms though )

Whenever that juice is fresh it tastes great but a bit of heat and it goes bad, the color itself changes from a pinkish red to a really pure red.

 

[pdib]

I avoid squonking immediately after a vape. The coil temp. 2 seconds after firing is quite a bit higher than, say, 10 sec. This does a lot for the juice in the bottle.

Also, yes, I've had some juices that didn't take well to heat.

 

[jcalis1394]

I avoid squonking immediately after a vape. The coil temp. 2 seconds after firing is quite a bit higher than, say, 10 sec. This does a lot for the juice in the bottle.

Also, yes, I've had some juices that didn't take well to heat.

I just started experimenting (as it is very easy to see when it's going to taste bad, the color changes drastically) I was not letting the coil sit not even 2 seconds. What this did was constantly keep the juice in the tubing heated thus tasting off. The solution (if I wanted to, say, chain vape this juice at 0.5 ohms) would be a BF RDA that has the hole in the posts not letting it mix. I really wanted to avoid having to modify any of my sealed RDA's for BF, but most of the other decent BF RDAs are over $50+. The juice is THAT good for me .

 

[bunker0617]

PS unicorn blood is my number one favorite juice!! Seems to do okay for me around .9 but maybe I've acquired a taste for burnt juice... Have you tried tiger jade from mister e? Not similar to unicorn but another great sweet juice.

 

[jcalis1394]

PS unicorn blood is my number one favorite juice!! Seems to do okay for me around .9 but maybe I've acquired a taste for burnt juice... Have you tried tiger jade from mister e? Not similar to unicorn but another great sweet juice.

What a coincidence, I ended up doing a .9 ohm coil (I think 14 wraps of 26g nichrome) and it was doing perfectly fine. The thing with 24g is, it takes a bit longer to heat up but once it does damn it stays HOT for quite some time. I'm gonna try a .5 ohm coil on 26g nichrome, probably should be 6-7 wraps, not my ideal micro coil but it should help a lot.

 

[malkuth]

You could try squonking just before you hit, rather than afterward. The atty you are talking about is a hornet. But, they are more expensive than the RM2.

 

[pdib]

Yep. J. I have an IGO-S with a similar purpose. The hole that's 1/2 way up the stem allows for much less bleedback into the tube. I keep my dibi-clear in the bottle, and sometimes drip flavors into the IGO. Then, as I squonk and vape, it quickly goes back to clear (unflavored)

 

[jcalis1394]

Yay, I think I have fixed most of the issue.

You could try squonking just before you hit, rather than afterward. The atty you are talking about is a hornet. But, they are more expensive than the RM2.

Here's the thing, I was using nichrome 24g, really thick wire that while it takes a bit to warm up (and on top of that 12 wraps it basically doesn't fit one more wrap inside the RM2, that's how long it is ), it stays really hot afterwards, so when I squonked after a couple of hits the atty would still be really hot, getting most of the juice that flows back into the tube heated. I have yet to try kanthal 24g on that juice, but I went to 26g nichrome, 8 wraps at 0.6 ohms and it's working so damn good! The wire heats up quick but doesn't stay that hot for so long, the flavor seems to be spot on and really tasty.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I was trying to explain this to a one: dr.g a month ago in a sub ohm thread...YES! Oh my goodness YES! All the building techniques and safety are links in a chain, though the weakest link always is the juice. Those cloud monsters and S/O aficionados only use certain juices. That is so much of the sub-ohm search...finding a juice that shows great flavor at those operating specifics. For some juice just can't take those power ranges, well, not without tasting like hot wick or burnt juice!

 

[supertrunker]

Depends - i run dual 32g coils but make them on the same wick. I typically vape at 1Ω and this means i can use the same wire all the time for my and my wife's coils and make them fast and reliably.

It heats fast and cools fast. I do a 3/4 wrap so you may find using 30g duals will get where you want and not burn your juice like lower gauge wire can do.

T

 

[jcalis1394]

I was trying to explain this to a one: dr.g a month ago in a sub ohm thread...YES! Oh my goodness YES! All the building techniques and safety are links in a chain, though the weakest link always is the juice. Those cloud monsters and S/O aficionados only use certain juices. That is so much of the sub-ohm search...finding a juice that shows great flavor at those operating specifics. For some juice just can't take those power ranges, well, not without tasting like hot wick or burnt juice!

I have redefined my sweet spot to 0.6 ohms 8 wraps on nichrome. It has almost completely fixed this issue. I think I'm going to be re-coiling my RM2s to that setup. It's not so much the ohms in this case as it is the thickness of the coil, it has a double edge end as it takes longer to heat and stays too hot for far too long. 26g nichrome heats up really fast and doesn't retain that much heat so I can pretty much squonk 3+ seconds after a hit and it won't heat up the excess juice nearly as much while allowing me to make a decent micro coil at 8 wraps. Then again, like I mentioned before an RDA that feeds through the posts and doesn't take the excess juice in would do decently on my old setup most likely as the juice won't mix.

All in all I'm really happy I got it to taste as it should, just made another order from FuZion and I'm about ready to recoil all my attys to my newfound sweet spot.

PS: To test if the juice in the tubing was heated, all I had to do was take the cap off the RM2 and squonk while tilting the REO and watch it drip on a paper towel. The color would immediately tell me. So far it has retained its pinkish red color.

Depends - i run dual 32g coils but make them on the same wick. I typically vape at 1Ω and this means i can use the same wire all the time for my and my wife's coils and make them fast and reliably.

It heats fast and cools fast. I do a 3/4 wrap so you may find using 30g duals will get where you want and not burn your juice like lower gauge wire can do.

T

That's something I hadn't thought about! Higher gauge dual coils, definitely something I'll be trying for those quick heat up and cooldown times. Thanks!

Pssh, I posted on the general e-liquid forum and got not one reply. I love Reoville!

 

[pdib]

8 wraps of 26 Nichrome was* my go-to wrap for a reason (does that sound smug and smart enough? ). I'm glad you found it! 'S good stuff.









*Until I met Mr. Mundy.

 

[jcalis1394]

8 wraps of 26 Nichrome was* my go-to wrap for a reason (does that sound smug and smart enough? ). I'm glad you found it! 'S good stuff.









*Until I met Mr. Mundy.

The twisted ribbon uh? Something I too have to try some time. For now I eagerly await my SS mesh on Monday, as well as 2 orders from FuZion e-juices. Gonna be a busy Monday

But so far it is an spectacular setup, I was so into the 12 wraps of 24g nichrome but until now I hadn't really noticed the difference specially heat up and cooldown time, I mean after all that 24g is crazy thick, let alone my 22g kanthal that I probably won't ever use

Yes, yes it does

 

[jcalis1394]

Alright so at the end, it is the juice. The new 0.6 ohm build turned out to be really a 0.5 ohm, however with the battery I was using (which was at roughly 3.8V) I was getting lower wattage. That means a true 0.6 ohms might be the key. But definitely this juice doesn't tolerate it as I just tested it on the sealed RDA and same thing, after 2 seconds the heat makes it taste burnt.

What ingredients might make a juice like this just not tolerate 25+ watts? Maybe I should contact FuZion and inquire about their flavorings/colorings/etc. I've also started to notice that 28+ watts can make some juices taste off from their clean flavor (not necessarily bad, but off). Is there the remote possibility that paired with the heat of sub ohms, the cotton also plays a role in the off taste? (After all it isn't very heat resistant) I guess I could try silica tomorrow, but my eyes are set on the SS mesh.

Dear oh dear, so many factors and possibilities. I better head off to sleep and continue tomorrow . It could be any of those things, but until I get the SS mesh and try every single possibility, I can't say for sure.

 

[TheSystemHasFailed]

I know a lot of sub ohm folk use 100%VG but, yeah, it comes down to those ingredients. I've had stuff that went beyond tasting burnt at certain ranges, tasted like I invented a new chemical, or converted the juice into one...