E Juice not a tobacco product????

[Robino1]

My point is, if nicotine was extracted from other sources, would it be subject to regulation as well?
Nicotine, just like caffeine, is a naturally occurring substance. If the nic was extracted from eggplant or tomatoes, would it demand such attention as if it were extracted from tobacco? Yes it would.

The arguement is invalid.

Intended use is what it boils down to.

Can I say I don't care where it comes from, but if it coming from tobacco makes it a tobacco product therefore it can be regulated to extinction by the European Union, then that sucks.

I like the coffee and coke argument.

My opinion is that if nicotine liquid has to be regulated, it needs to have it's own regulations that acknowledge the fact nicotine delivery away from combustion of tobacco leaves is far safer.

Coffee comes from the coffee bean, cola comes from the Kola nut. Both contain caffeine.

They can .. but I don't think anyone would want to shell out what synth nic would cost ..

I don't think I would want to vape something that is synthetically made. That just makes me shudder. I can see it now, 20 years down the road and then they find out it is deadly. Ugh. No Thanks.

 

[UncleChimney]

Not really. Butter is made from milk, and it is a milk product.

Butter is a dairy product.

 

[90quattrocoupe]

Intended use is what it boils down to.



Coffee comes from the coffee bean, cola comes from the Kola nut. Both contain caffeine.



I don't think I would want to vape something that is synthetically made. That just makes me shudder. I can see it now, 20 years down the road and then they find out it is deadly. Ugh. No Thanks.

The VG in your juice is synthetically made. PG(industrial grade) is a byproduct of making diesel. I wouldn't worry too much about synthetic nicotine.

Nicotine is a byproduct of the tobacco plant, tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, etc. It is also a byproduct of the coca plant. So I am going with this. It doesn't matter what other people or the government says, I am going to call it vaping. It does not match the definition of smoking. The mods most of us use, don't even come close to looking like the original e-cig. We have moved on. They can no longer be classified as the same thing, no matter what the government says.

So for people who ask, I vape not smoke.

If I go to government meetings.
I vape not smoke. So it has nothing to do with smoke shops.
The fed court says it is not a drug delivery device, so you can't treat it like it is drug paraphernalia.
The liquid I use contains FDA approved VG, PG, Flavorings, with some nicotine. Also found in tomatoes, potatoes, ect. It is not flavored nicotine.
You can buy VG at Walmart. You can buy PG at the drug store. You can buy the flavorings from cooking supplies stores.
etc.

I will confuse them with facts.

I will call it anything, but smoking. If enough people do not call it smoking, it will not be called smoking.

Just my opinion, and what I plan to do. Others can do what they will. That is why America will always be the hallmark of freedom.

Greg W.

 

[90quattrocoupe]

Butter is a dairy product.

All depends on the butter. Butter can be made from any animal that produces milk. So, is it a dairy product, or is it a by product of a cow, goat, sheep, elephant, woman, etc.

Greg W.

 

[BigBen2k]

All depends on the butter. Butter can be made from any animal that produces milk. So, is it a dairy product, or is it a by product of a cow, goat, sheep, elephant, woman, etc....

The FDA limits what can be labelled as butter; any variation cannot be called "butter" alone.

There's a long history behind that.

 

[Capt.shay]

My e-juice is a glycol product with nicotine and flavoring added.


My mashed potatoes are not dairy products because they a 12% butter and 3% milk

 

[zoiDman]

Ya Know...

None of this would Even be Discussed if a Person is Vaping 0mg.

Just Say 'n

 

[dr g]

I just don't see a Win that is Possible.

If it comes from Tobacco, then it is going to go down the Current Road that is Now. If it comes from taking 700 lbs of Eggplant or Creating 30mg of Nicotine Synthetically, then it would be Considered to be a Drug.

What saved us from the Lesser of the Two Evils was that Nicotine, in the Fashion that we use it, was considered Recreational Tobacco Use.

Not a reason not to challenge the law, and personally I do see that as a very possible win. The science of nicotine per se will come into play once the tobacco plant is removed from the picture ... and that changes everything.

My e-juice is a glycol product with nicotine and flavoring added.


My mashed potatoes are not dairy products because they a 12% butter and 3% milk

Sorry, this doesn't hold up. Almost all pharmaceuticals are mostly filler, diluent, etc.

 

[stevegmu]

Ya Know...

None of this would Even be Discussed if a Person is Vaping 0mg.

Just Say 'n

If all I could get were 0nic., I'd plough my backyard, get a larger greenhouse, plant eggplants and my poor wife would spend all day slaving over the hot stove cooking down 800lbs. of eggplants to get an ounce of e-nic...

 

[zoiDman]

Not a reason not to challenge the law, and personally I do see that as a very possible win. The science of nicotine per se will come into play once the tobacco plant is removed by the picture ... and that changes everything.
...

OK... How are you going to Challenge this "Law".

 

[zoiDman]

If all I could get were 0nic., I'd plough my backyard, get a larger greenhouse, plant eggplants and my poor wife would spend all day slaving over the hot stove cooking down 800lbs. of eggplants to get an ounce of e-nic...

You have a Great Wife if she would do All That for you.

Does she have a Sister by Any Chance?

 

[Capt.shay]

My e-juice is a glycol product with nicotine and flavoring added.


My mashed potatoes are not dairy products because they a 12% butter and 3% milk

Sorry, this doesn't hold up. Almost all pharmaceuticals are mostly filler, diluent, etc.

So my mashed potatoes ARE dairy products?

Saying that a substance is a tobacco product because it contains 12% of a substance extracted from tobacco i is just not an accurate statement. If you want to say it is a product that contains a small percentage of a tobacco extract then you would get no argument from me but it is not a tobacco "product". It is a glycol product with flavoring and nicotine added to it and that is exactly what I tell people.

 

[stevegmu]

You have a Great Wife if she would do All That for you.

Does she have a Sister by Any Chance?

She has 2.

 

[stevegmu]

So my mashed potatoes ARE dairy products?

Saying that a substance is a tobacco product because it contains 12% of a substance extracted from tobacco i is just not an accurate statement. If you want to say it is a product that contains a small percentage of a tobacco extract then you would get no argument from me but it is not a tobacco "product". It is a glycol product with flavoring and nicotine added to it and that is exactly what I tell people.

Pretty sure the government doesn't see it that way. American beer is, what, 5% alcohol- the rest being flavored water. Does that mean it isn't an alcoholic beverage, thusly not under the control of the ATF and state alcohol control boards?

 

[zoiDman]

She has 2.

Hmmmm... Interesting. Both Married?

Happily Married that is?

 

[stevegmu]

Hmmmm... Interesting. Both Married?

Happily Married that is?

Both are married. One to a Marine, the other to a Sailor; both are deployed at the moment.

 

[dr g]

OK... How are you going to Challenge this "Law".

Uh, by extracting nicotine from non-tobacco sources and selling it as non-tobacco nicotine? I thought that would be kind of obvious ...

 

[Capt.shay]

Pretty sure the government doesn't see it that way. American beer is, what, 5% alcohol- the rest being flavored water. Does that mean it isn't an alcoholic beverage, thusly not under the control of the ATF and state alcohol control boards?

It really is semantics and how you want to look at it. Nyquile is 10% alcohol and has no regulation on it and no one would try to call it an alcoholic beverage even tho it is technically more so than beer.

I stand by my statement that what is in my e-juice (~ 85% glycol, 12% nicotine, 3% flavoring) is a Glycol product with nicotine and flavoring added.

The government can look at any way they want (and they will) but that does not make them correct.

 

[rpc1]

My point is, if nicotine was extracted from other sources, would it be subject to regulation as well?
Nicotine, just like caffeine, is a naturally occurring substance. If the nic was extracted from eggplant or tomatoes, would it demand such attention as if it were extracted from tobacco? Yes it would.

The arguement is invalid.

In Minnesota, it would have a different status if it were derived from eggplant or tomatoes, or synthesized without use of tobacco:


"The cartridge [of an e-cig] contains nicotine which is ordinarily derived from tobacco.... The department [of revenue] assumes that all nicotine is derived from tobacco and the taxpayer will bear the burden of proving otherwise. If it can be documented that the nicotine has been derived from sources other than tobacco, it would not be taxable as a tobacco product."

http://www.revenue.state.mn.us/law_policy/revenue_notices/RN_12-10.pdf

It's unusual for me to agree with the department of revenue, but this makes sense to me. If the product is extracted from tobacco, then it seems reasonable that it is a "tobacco product". If it's extracted from tomatoes, then the identical substance would be a "tomato product".

 

[zoiDman]

Uh, by extracting nicotine from non-tobacco sources and selling it as non-tobacco nicotine? I thought that would be kind of obvious ...

Sometimes your Post are Not that Obvious.

But OK... So you Boil Down 800lbs of Eggplant and then do a Nicotine Extraction to get your 30mg of Nicotine.

Then you sell it. What does that Prove?

At a Buck a Pound for Eggplant, is Making Eggplant Nicotine really Gonna be a Game Changer at $800+ per Bottle?