e-liquid & being arrested/car searched etc

[gashin]

A cop wouldn't know what the liquid is anyway.... theyll prob think its some kinda breath freshener.

So, I have a random question (that I am sure has been answered before.)(Oh, and its most likely a stupid question, but I am a stupid person, so I'm going to ask anyway!! )

Let's say, I have my e-cig(s)/screwdrivers and/or whatever, with a bottle or two of e-liquid.

What if I got pulled over for (insert reason here), and the cops questioned this "device", and the bottle of liquid I had in purse.

You think it would get confiscated or take me to the station?? lol

I don't know. I'm just watching COPS so I was wondering.

 

[edlogic]

Well, I’m no expert. But i am taking criminal justice. At least in the state of Georgia.. (other states may be different) In order for a police officer to be able to search your vehicle they need probable cause.

That’s without the driver giving consent.. If he does search your vehicle without consent and PC that case can and will most likely get the police officer in serious trouble with the court system and can have the case thrown out. (at least in georgia)

Now just because the police offer may think you're smoking illegal drugs is not enough to constitute PC. it has to be beyond reasonable doubt that a person is breaking the law to be PC. And just because your blowing out what looks like smoke from a metal device that looks like a cig or pen is just reasonable suspicion and therefore not PC.

Plus on top of that the police officer has to stop you for a legal reason to even pull you over in the first place.. There not suppose to be pulling over every joe blow they think is committing a crime.. If that were the case they'd have to have the whole police force and then some pulling everyone over..

Some police officers also like to scare people into giving them consent to search if they don't have PC either.. That makes the police officers job alot easier incase they do make big mistakes.. Then they can just say the person gave them permission to search and they didn't find anything..

Now my info comes from my teacher who was a Gwinnett County, Georgia police officer for 20 years.. Laws do also change, but innless I missed something that one still remains the same..

Oh and also they can use a drug dog to gain PC to search your car as well but then the whole point will become moot when the dog doesn't find anything. That is if you dont have illegal drugs in the car. lol Plus like posted above they can also test it in a drug kit to find out that way.

If they do test it in a drug kit just hope the kit isn't faulty or there is anything in the juice that may give a false positive.. That would suck. lol

I'm not sure about drug kit testing because I’ve just started e-cigs like today and have no juice.. I think this may be very interesting to bring up to my teacher in a week when i go back to classes..

ok you admit you are not an expert - and maybe your teacher is or isn't an expert -

but that does not really matter -

also - those of us who have lived in the united states of america for many decades and still believe that the constitution of the united states of america means something

ARE FOOLING OURSELVES

do you know why ? i will tell you why - it is because the experts - the ones with the oh fish all titles and the ones with the oh fish all power are telling you and me and the rest of the world that the constitution is only there for them to LIE about it and BREAK it into as many pieces as they desire ->

do you want me to prove it to you ?

ok just watch this from several years ago

this is the former head of the nsa ( national security agency )
listen to him tell you emphatically that if there is anything that the nsa knows about - it is the 4th amendment - and you people have had the wrong idea for over 200 years

YouTube - Michael Hayden: "probable cause" is not in the 4th Amendment

some of these people in power do not want you to be free - they do not want you to have liberty and they want to destroy the sovereignty of the usa and bring it crashing down and subservient to the wishes of the new world order and the one world government

keep laughing until you get educated - look it up - you will find many references to the new world order being talked about by leaders of nations

take our usa president daddy bush for example - in 1991
i bet you don't remember him telling you that the new world order - where the united nations tells everyone what to do will be the greatest thing since apple pie

YouTube - Proof of NWO from George Bush SR New World Order


then gary hart on september 12, 2001 says that bush jr might use the 911 disaster to carry out what his father talked about - a new world order

but watch - he is not complaining - he is hoping that it happens

YouTube - Gary Hart exposes the NEW WORLD ORDER plan of Sr. & W. Bush

 

[NicotineFiend]

I'm sure that, even if they were suspicious your ecig was being used for drugs[besides nicotine], they would do a field test. I'm not sure of the laws where you live, but in a lot of places they have to do a field test to legally confiscate or arrest you for possession.

I'm an attorney and I've handled an awful lot of drug cases. I can't recall having a case where the officer has field tested suspected drug paraphernalia. They'll field test suspected drugs, but I don't know that they can test a little residue in a pipe, or an e-cig. They could field test a few drops of the e-liquid probably, but they generally do not field test suspected paraphernalia and they don't always field test suspected drugs.

I was just involved with a case recently where a fellow was in jail for 5 months awaiting trial on a burglary and possession of .... case. He said it wasn't a burglary because he was friends with the person whose home he entered, and that ended up being backed up by his friend who said this guy was welcome to come in his home whether he was there or not. He said the little bag of white powder in his pocket was just sugar for his coffee, which ended up being confirmed by the state crime lab. He spent five months in jail for nothing. He had a clueless immigration lawyer helping him who asked me to help her with the criminal case and within ten minutes of receiving her call I had the case dropped simply by asking the prosecutor to check the file to see if the crime lab report was back. He said, "whoops," and told he'd call the jail and tell them to let him go and he'd be dropping the charges right away. I wouldn't count on officers to always do field tests, and I've actually seen them make arrests even with a negative field test because they were convinced the field test was wrong.

I think you are probably okay with an e-cig though. You could even ask the officer to remove the polyfill in the cartridge and squeeze some out for a field test. I've never seen anyone arrested on paraphernalia charges with an e-cig. If people are smoking .... or crack they are generally going to have some sort of glass pipe and not an e-cig. I've heard that hash oil can be mixed with e-liquid and smoked in an e-cig, but that stuff is really rare. Just be polite and explain what you have and what it does and you'll be fine.

For a brief moment I entertained the idea of using one of those glass ".... pipes" with the globe that you heat up for vaping e-liquid. It would probably work just fine, but if you ever get caught with something like that with some sort of residue in it you'd probably be arrested. You'd have to bond out. Your name would be in the paper. You'd have to get an attorney if the public defender wasn't appointed. You'd be encouraged to take a plea deal probably and if you were unable to post bond and were faced with a several month wait before your trial a plea deal that gets you out tomorrow might actually start sounding good. If you stick it out you'll eventually win, provided the crime lab doesn't do like a crime lab will occasionally do (some have been caught doing this) and just say they found drugs without ever actually get around to testing it.

 

[Ivisi]

ok you admit you are not an expert - and maybe your teacher is or isn't an expert -

but that does not really matter -

also - those of us who have lived in the united states of america for many decades and still believe that the constitution of the united states of america means something

ARE FOOLING OURSELVES

do you know why ? i will tell you why - it is because the experts - the ones with the oh fish all titles and the ones with the oh fish all power are telling you and me and the rest of the world that the constitution is only there for them to LIE about it and BREAK it into as many pieces as they desire ->

do you want me to prove it to you ?

ok just watch this from several years ago

this is the former head of the nsa ( national security agency )
listen to him tell you emphatically that if there is anything that the nsa knows about - it is the 4th amendment - and you people have had the wrong idea for over 200 years

YouTube - Michael Hayden: "probable cause" is not in the 4th Amendment

some of these people in power do not want you to be free - they do not want you to have liberty and they want to destroy the sovereignty of the usa and bring it crashing down and subservient to the wishes of the new world order and the one world government

keep laughing until you get educated - look it up - you will find many references to the new world order being talked about by leaders of nations

take our usa president daddy bush for example - in 1991
i bet you don't remember him telling you that the new world order - where the united nations tells everyone what to do will be the greatest thing since apple pie

YouTube - Proof of NWO from George Bush SR New World Order


then gary hart on september 12, 2001 says that bush jr might use the 911 disaster to carry out what his father talked about - a new world order

but watch - he is not complaining - he is hoping that it happens

YouTube - Gary Hart exposes the NEW WORLD ORDER plan of Sr. & W. Bush

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[jburns]

(sorry had to take the link out of quote because it wouldn't let me post)

And if you go back and READ what i posted i said i was NO EXPERT and this information came from my TEACHER who was a Gwinnett County Officer for 20 years.. Plus i also said that this MAY not Apply in EVERY STATE because different states have different laws, and my teacher only really would teach us laws that applied to the state of Georgia since we lived in Georgia and more importantly were taking his class in Georgia..

Plus, giving advice is not the same thing as giving legal council. All a person would have to do is double check if this was correct.. Sorry, but,you don’t have to be my mommy or daddy and spank me. I was simply stating was told, by a teacher of criminal justice of the state of georgia..

And he drilled in our heads that the police in Georgia needed PC to make an arrest.. So take that as you will, thanks..


They can't just arrest you for carrying surger in a bag because they think its drugs, they have to be sure of that.. Just because surger looks like a drug isn't enough.. Thats why they have drug kits.. If the kit gives a positive, then thats their PC to make the arrest..

Sorry I hit a nerve but there are also several errors in your rant, not to mention that in your rambling you never addressed the reason for my post, which was your claim that PC means an officer has to be convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt" of guilt of the subject before taking action. Despite your continued assertion to the contrary, that statement is false in Georgia as well as every other state.

If you want to continue this discussion please stay on point and avoid the childish mommy, daddy comments.

 

[edlogic]

... your claim that PC means an officer has to be convinced "beyond a reasonable doubt" of guilt of the subject before taking action. Despite your continued assertion to the contrary, that statement is false in Georgia as well as every other state.

of course not all cops or gov employees or cps workers are bad
most of them are good people i am sure

but the fact is that corrupt people migrate to positions of power where they can get what they want with impunity - many examples of proof

congress is full of criminals - many cops are brutes and corrupt - lots of cps workers and boy scout leaders and priests and phys ed coaches are child molesters

the congressman from florida mark foley who helped instigate laws against child molesters etc - got off scott free - no charges

Mark Foley scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

the fact is that if you leave them alone and don't watchdog the heck out of them - they will continue to build up their numbers of like minded fiends and then the whole group is bad bad bad

that is where the constitution is supposed to give power to the people the keep the governent afraid of overstepping their authority

if you or i were guilty of what foley did then where would we be right now ? - he should have gotten the same punishment


i quit watching tv over 20 years ago - but

all you have to do is watch the videos on youtube and you see people get tased arrested - assaulted - shot - without probable cause

most of the time just because they didn't lay down and lick the boots of the oh fish all in uniform

 

[Slea]

you have no idea how many people ask me, after i show them about it, if you can smoke pot out of it... its really annoying and pathetic

I do too have an idea, because I suspect my numbers are similar. I've yet to formulate a really good response.

 

[edlogic]

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you dropped that ?
well put it back on fast !

 

[OutWest]

if you or i were guilty of what foley did then where would we be right now ? - he should have gotten the same punishment

Agreed. And unfortunately that happens way to many times. There was a judge in my area several years back that was driving drunk and speeding and hit and killed a kid on a bicycle. No charges were filed. Retired judge gets deferred sentence in child molestation case: Retired Judge Pleads No Contest Deferred Sentence Expected in Molestation Case, by Mark A. Hutchison, Daily Oklahoman [Oklahoma City, OK], June 9, 1998
and followup on story Ex-Judge Convicted of Assault Accused of Harassing Girl, by Mark A. Hutchison, Daily Oklahoman [Oklahoma City, OK], February 4, 2000
And then there's the kennedy/bridge thing... Plus all the other incidents we see around us every day. And, it's not unreasonable to think that a cop might plant something in order to make a bust, for it does happen. I've totally forgotten where I was going with this, but suffice it to say that some cops are honest, yes. Some arent. And, unfortunately there's no way to know which one has pulled you over.

 

[bizzyb0t]

Wow, I'm not paranoid about the cops here... Not to long ago, I was vaping inside of a 7-11 waiting in line, and there were several cops in line with me. I guess the lack of the smell of anything illegal and the blue LED assured them it was some kind of toy or something.

Not. Even. A. Comment. About. It.

And that's how it usually is for me.

 

[NightElf]

funny thing this post. I work in SmallTownUSA as a bartender at a local Elks Lodge. Most people don't have a clue what an E-Cigerette is. There was a golf outing consisting of Police. After said outing, I was behind the bar puffing on my 401 with blue led. A couple of the policemen that were still sipping their bud lites after the outing, jumped up and freaked out. *WHAT are you DOING!!* they asked as they ran to the bar. I held it up and said this is my Electronic Cigerette. I puffed on it again and handed it over to Barney Fife to inspect. *Awww Hell, he said, I thought it was a one-hitter*!!! He and his partner laughed and *tried it out*. Future sales in the works, but I couldn't resist a final comment -- *but WOW, I grew up in the 70's, I would have LOVED to find a one-hitter with a blue light* They all laughed but it DOES make we wonder about future incidents.

One more incident -- a gal that sits on the Board of the Child Protective Services in this town was at the bar drinking and smoking and kept saying she wanted to quit smoking to her friends. A little later, I showed her my E-Cig and she looked at me like I had snakes growing out of my head. When I held it up to her to try it -- she literally RAN. Afterward, a couple firemen and an emt that was sitting with her came up to me and wanted to *inspect* my device. This was about a month earlier than the above-mentioned instance, but after putting both these *incidents* together ...

There ARE some ignorant law enforcement officials, etc's in the SmallTownUSA world that you *could* run afoul over these devices, at least, initially.

 

[edlogic]

Wow, I'm not paranoid about the cops here... Not to long ago, I was vaping inside of a 7-11 waiting in line, and there were several cops in line with me. I guess the lack of the smell of anything illegal and the blue LED assured them it was some kind of toy or something.

Not. Even. A. Comment. About. It.

And that's how it usually is for me.

maybe from your looks - they figured you needed something illicit to get you through the day ?

haha just kidding -couldn't resist

 

[edlogic]

funny thing this post. I work in SmallTownUSA as a bartender at a local Elks Lodge. Most people don't have a clue what an E-Cigerette is. There was a golf outing consisting of Police. After said outing, I was behind the bar puffing on my 401 with blue led. A couple of the policemen that were still sipping their bud lites after the outing, jumped up and freaked out. *WHAT are you DOING!!* they asked as they ran to the bar. I held it up and said this is my Electronic Cigerette. I puffed on it again and handed it over to Barney Fife to inspect. *Awww Hell, he said, I thought it was a one-hitter*!!! He and his partner laughed and *tried it out*. Future sales in the works, but I couldn't resist a final comment -- *but WOW, I grew up in the 70's, I would have LOVED to find a one-hitter with a blue light* They all laughed but it DOES make we wonder about future incidents.

One more incident -- a gal that sits on the Board of the Child Protective Services in this town was at the bar drinking and smoking and kept saying she wanted to quit smoking to her friends. A little later, I showed her my E-Cig and she looked at me like I had snakes growing out of my head. When I held it up to her to try it -- she literally RAN. Afterward, a couple firemen and an emt that was sitting with her came up to me and wanted to *inspect* my device. This was about a month earlier than the above-mentioned instance, but after putting both these *incidents* together ...

There ARE some ignorant law enforcement officials, etc's in the SmallTownUSA world that you *could* run afoul over these devices, at least, initially.

hey - i got something for you to try - if you are the practical joker type ->

the next time one of those oh fish alls freak out and run over to you thinking they got a nutball day crack huffer -

point the blue led at them and say something like ->

mister blue led - he makes me happy -
i not want to hurt cops any more ...

well - depending on the situation you probably would leave that last line off - once again i am not serious - i just couldn't resist

 

[fsdhy]

Take this from someone who knows a little about cops...they know what e-cigs are! Trust me. M

Bull****. At least here in Canada, we have a big problem with uneducated police. I can't imagine it being any different down south. With most police officers being hired straight out of a 1yr COMMUNITY COLLEGE course, police in general are not exactly a very knowledgeable bunch. For example, as a hunter and target shooter I have not met a single police officer who was familiar with firearms law. Quite often you hear of hunters who have firearms seized only to have to pick them up the next day because the officer was in the wrong.

You can bet the average officer knows a thing or two about TRAFFIC law... that being their major source of revenue/tax collecting. Beyond that, it's probably safe to assume 90% of them are talking out of their ....

 

[Jonesin]

I work a block from the White House in DC and live in Norther Virginia. I have passed several types of law enforcement (Deputies, DHS, FPS, DC metro, Secret Service, Park Police, etc) and never have been looked at twice. Either they are informed or I am doing something right...dunno. I also vape heavily while driving and have not been given a second glance unlike when I would be smoking a cigar and I get the feeling they have to make sure I'm not smoking a blunt.

 

[danomat1973]

As a police officer myself, I can tell you that most cops do not have any idea what an e-cigarette is.

My best advice is to not try and hide it, as that would draw unwanted suspicion to you. If it does come into question, explain to the officer what it is.

I can honestly say if I ran into someone with a bottle of juice and an e-cigarette before I knew what they were, I would definitely be inquisitive. Speaking for myself only, I would have checked it out and asked the person where I could get one.

The more people use them the better educated all us cops will be. Help spread the word...I'm doing my part......3 converts so far.

 

[Rhetoric Camel]

cops wouldn't believe me, I'm a long haired hippy

 

[edlogic]

As a police officer myself, I can tell you that most cops do not have any idea what an e-cigarette is.

My best advice is to not try and hide it, as that would draw unwanted suspicion to you. If it does come into question, explain to the officer what it is.

I can honestly say if I ran into someone with a bottle of juice and an e-cigarette before I knew what they were, I would definitely be inquisitive. Speaking for myself only, I would have checked it out and asked the person where I could get one.

The more people use them the better educated all us cops will be. Help spread the word...I'm doing my part......3 converts so far.

thanks for that information -

i am glad to say that my blue led is telling me that you are one of the good ones !

 

[edlogic]

cops wouldn't believe me, I'm a long haired hippy

but you look like an honest long haired hippy !
does that count ?

 

[Rhetoric Camel]

but you look like an honest long haired hippy !
does that count ?

It's never counted before they just don't trust me. I got pulled over once for supposedly skipping a police road check, after the cop followed me for 20 minutes. As soon as he pulled me over he asked if I was high, I said "no" then he asked where I was going and I replied "To my parents house to visit them" they asked why I was taking the road I was on, I told them "it's a more scenic drive and I hate the straight highway" he told me to get out of the car and I started asking why, they told me because I skipped the road block, and I told them I didn't know about it, he told me to "quit being a wise ... and step out of the car" and searched me, found nothing then started asking if they would find ...... or crack in my car. Of course they wouldn't but they kept asking stupid questions and I gave them answers, sometimes wise ones but that's just my nature. After about an hour dealing with the cops on the side of the road they finally let me go. Only to get pulled over another hour after driving because my car matched one of a driver who just broke into a house. Lucky me I got searched again and spent another half hour with these cops. Never found anything either. Apparently I look like I would have a bunch of drugs on me at all times, but that's not true, I don't ever bring it with me in my car hahha