E-liquid bottle designs are geared toward kids

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Maiar

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We need to put this issue to bed. Adults are apparently not allowed to like artwork, especially colorful artwork. If it's colorful and pleasing to the senses and in a frame it's art, if it's placed on a bottle of e liquid it becomes a lure to small children to get them addicted to nicotine. Come on! Some of the bottles I have are pretty artistic/creative and very eye catching, I would say unique. Some vendors even have a specific style of art and are easily recognized because of it. If you could stand before a panel of the FDA Einstiens who came up with this garbage what would you say to defend e liquid artwork?
Einstein was a genius. I don't think we're honoring him properly. Taking his name in vain on message boards lol.
 

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This is not a democrat vs republican issue folks.
The Liberals are not destroying the earth, :facepalm: sorry look elsewhere.

It would behoove us to "think of the children" before declaring war.
It would behoove us to "think of the children" in our international political maneuvering.
Think of the children is a sad joke, it is the last thing we think of.
 

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Pretty sure it's the easiest way to get attention! Clamor about how children are in danger about this or that. I don't have kids so I might not be the best authority on things like this but, I do know the difference between right and wrong.

Because a bottle of juice is "eye catching" makes it a device targeted at children is wrong, truly flawed logic.

If you are that concerned, maybe as a parent, you might take a little more interest in what they do instead of trying to have the rest of society raising them!
 

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If you could stand before a panel of the FDA Einstiens who came up with this garbage what would you say to defend e liquid artwork?

If I had the chance to speak to them I would defend the use of e cigs in common sense ways. However in my opinion I would have to agree with a ban on the cartoon labels which is something I posted about awhile ago. To me a destinct bottle label is one thing but using cartoons and names that appeal to teens is not acceptable. A while ago I posted a link to a new liquid called psycho tunes whose entire line is geared toward a younger crowd by the use of crazy cartoons, names, and colors.

A simpler labeling would be better along the line of packaged tobacco products or alcohol. Many e liquid companies like Halo, JC, and lots of others already do this and always have. This is an adult product let's keep it that way. I realize some don't agree with me and that's fine but I think if year u were to ask the greater population they would also prefer simple packaging as opposed to cartoons.
 

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I am tired of thinking about other peoples children, its about time their parents became responsible and stopped blaming other people for their own mistakes. I am tired of paying a fortune in taxes so people can sit on their ... and collect a check. There are a whole lot of us that are tired of this whole bs game you are playing.
 

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I am tired of thinking about other peoples children, its about time their parents became responsible and stopped blaming other people for their own mistakes. I am tired of paying a fortune in taxes so people can sit on their ... and collect a check. There are a whole lot of us that are tired of this whole bs game you are playing.

I totally agree with the first half of your statement. But, you have one of three choices: educate and motivate, support, or incarcerate. If parents and society fail at the first option, supporting a human for life is more humane, ethical, and cheaper than to incarceration. You can't convince someone to sit there, starve, and never feel good. Folks are going to try and get their's, one way or another.
 

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If I had the chance to speak to them I would defend the use of e cigs in common sense ways. However in my opinion I would have to agree with a ban on the cartoon labels which is something I posted about awhile ago. To me a destinct bottle label is one thing but using cartoons and names that appeal to teens is not acceptable. A while ago I posted a link to a new liquid called psycho tunes whose entire line is geared toward a younger crowd by the use of crazy cartoons, names, and colors.

A simpler labeling would be better along the line of packaged tobacco products or alcohol. Many e liquid companies like Halo, JC, and lots of others already do this and always have. This is an adult product let's keep it that way. I realize some don't agree with me and that's fine but I think if year u were to ask the greater population they would also prefer simple packaging as opposed to cartoons.

Thank you for responding to the original question sub4me. I haven't seen the bottle with the cartoons you mention but I did notice a comment early in this thread that some of the bottles do seem to be geared toward attracting older teens, and perhaps that's true. That's about the age when a lot of kids start smoking if they aren't already. My daughter, who is nineteen, is attracted to a lot of that Anime art and my son who is seventeen loves old cars, he has a 69 chevy truck, so put some Anime and pics of cool old trucks and cars on some bottles and my kids would probably think they were pretty cool bottles. That would not be enough to get my daughter to experiment with vaping, my son however thinks vaping is "cool" and between the two would be the one to experiment.

So for the kids who would be more prone to try vaping restricting the labels might be enough to keep them from doing so, maybe. My son talks about the flavors and how good they smell so the label may not be the most tempting part.
 

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I totally agree with the first half of your statement. But, you have one of three choices: educate and motivate, support, or incarcerate. If parents and society fail at the first option, supporting a human for life is more humane, ethical, and cheaper than to incarceration. You can't convince someone to sit there, starve, and never feel good. Folks are going to try and get their's, one way or another.

I spent too many years helping myself because no one else did and I certainly wouldn't have asked. At one time in this country it was shame to ask for help. Nowadays it is a way of life. This country is becoming third world and if you don't wake up now and start paying attention to the world you won't have a chance. The greed and vice this country has begat is destroying it from within.
 

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Penny, I think you have a good grasp of what I was saying. You can do a search for psycho tunes e liquid to see their bottles and instore display. As soon as you see it you will quickley realize who their targeting to sell to.

Restricting cartoon labels wouldn't be hard restricting names may however prove to be abit more difficult though. However when you pair the two together like a crazy cartoon and then call the liquid crazy moose moon juice it just looks bad and becomes obvious to anyone who the seller is marketing to. Vendors should design their own product specific label and be easily identifiable and use more reasonable names. Doing so would keep the anti vaping crowd from complaining.
 

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I checked out those bottles sub4me and I see what you mean. I had not come across any bottles like that. There are so many different kinds of people, people who are older and into things that I will never "get", sub groups of people who I might even label as just weird according to my personal standards and I think it can be really hard to tell in some instances if a product is targeting children purposely or if these bottle labels, for example, are truly an expression of a groups interest.

Going back to Anime...my daughter has gone to a couple of conventions and I just don't get that, at all. Grown adults dressed in cartoon character costumes and the such. I'm not saying I think negatively toward them, I just don't get it. But I'm sure these adults dressed as giant Japanese style bunnies or whatever aren't out to get our children, but I can easily see how others might go there if they don't understand Anime.

Oi...this topic could really go down the rabbit hole!
 

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The only thing that stands out to me is the names of some of the juices. When someone who is curious sees me vaping asks me what it is and i tell them galactic sparkle or something like that, the instant association is with bath salts or k2 from when it came through our town some time back. A friends wife still has to deal with idiots who did bath salts and fried their brains permanently.
I do encourage anyone showing curiosity when they see me vaping, i answer any question, for as long as it takes. I can see them forming their opinion of vaping right in front of me. I let them smell it and most importantly, i let them hold the rig in their hand, explaining what it is, does, and what the liquid is inside there. By the time they are done, i can see someone who isn't scared of what they don't understand, and thats one more person on our side.

Sorry for the rant
 

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Isn't there an e-juice company which uses the cartoon character Minion as their mascot?

I have no idea but there are a lot that use cartoons and outrageous names which in my opinion have no place on an adult product. Other vendors use much more responsible labeling and products and also have great business success which shows us that the cartoons and crazy names aren't needed to stand out in the crowd. Making a high quality safe product is what most users are after, not a giant gorilla hocking banana jungle jamboree.
 

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*perfect world*

I guess it would be great to think it is as easy as changing the appearance of the bottle to exclude anything that would entice or encourage anyone underage from purchasing.

I don't for the life of me think it would stop there tho, I mean jeez, these people are complaining that the names of the juices are just as bad.

Hard to say if they get a foothold in with this, where does it end??
 

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Penny, I think you have a good grasp of what I was saying. You can do a search for psycho tunes e liquid to see their bottles and instore display. As soon as you see it you will quickley realize who their targeting to sell to.

Restricting cartoon labels wouldn't be hard restricting names may however prove to be abit more difficult though. However when you pair the two together like a crazy cartoon and then call the liquid crazy moose moon juice it just looks bad and becomes obvious to anyone who the seller is marketing to. Vendors should design their own product specific label and be easily identifiable and use more reasonable names. Doing so would keep the anti vaping crowd from complaining.

Here is an example image...
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While I don't like the designs... I don't think it's aimed at those under the age of smoking. I also don't think the label will have any real effect on getting someone to start vaping... you don't need to vape to enjoy the label... you only need to go online and print it out or maybe even buy a bottle. Once you are already IN a store and making a PURCHASE, now the label *could* make a difference... but I am thinking flavor selection and cost would be bigger factors, IMO. More importantly, if you are already looking to make a purchase, then the label isn't contributing to causing someone to vape (in the vast majority of cases).
 

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Here is an example image...
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While I don't like the designs... I don't think it's aimed at those under the age of smoking. I also don't think the label will have any real effect on getting someone to start vaping... you don't need to vape to enjoy the label... you only need to go online and print it out or maybe even buy a bottle. Once you are already IN a store and making a PURCHASE, now the label *could* make a difference... but I am thinking flavor selection and cost would be bigger factors, IMO. More importantly, if you are already looking to make a purchase, then the label isn't contributing to causing someone to vape (in the vast majority of cases).

You should see the display and the liquid names, just crazy, not geared towards adults for sure. I don't think they are trying to addict kids but their definitely trying to get their attention, at least the teen crowd.
 

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What we need to realize is tobacco, alcohol, and other products are not allowed to market in these way for a reason. It should be no different for a e liquid that's is meant to be sold to adults. Doing otherwise is nonsenseical.

So we are clear... can you cite the law prohibiting this with alcohol or tobacco? I think it would be in the interest of most readers to actually have that information so they can better understand the current practice based on law... heck, you *might* even want to throw in a link to the voluntary restrictions those industries take too... but I wouldn't want any one to get confused by the difference between voluntary restrictions agreed on versus legal restrictions.

I'm figuring you might be able to find/link them faster than me... since you brought it up.
 
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