Ecig banished from work place forever!

[ramblingrose]

Uhhh - No - it's not 25% - Not even sure where you got that number?

Average is 50 out of 100 - Below 50 is below average - It's just simple 4th grade math -

It's not a slight - or an opinion - It is a mathematical fact presented for humor - I never suggested they were not charming or worth knowing. I have the good fortune to know many of them - No need to take offense where none was intended -

Love your avatar and the DEAD btw - Keep on Trucking!

50% of people fall into the average intelligence category. Half of the other 50% are above it, and half are below. That makes the magic number 25%. Looks like you were confusing average with median. Your comment didn't read nicely just sitting there saying nothing else, but as long as you didn't mean it badly, no offense taken.

Thanks for the compliment for the avatar. Yeah, I like it too. I had tons of fun on the road!

 

[Bones]

50% of people fall into the average intelligence category. Half of the other 50% are above it, and half are below. That makes the magic number 25%. Looks like you were confusing average with median. Your comment didn't read nicely just sitting there saying nothing else, but as long as you didn't mean it badly, no offense taken.

Thanks for the compliment for the avatar. Yeah, I like it too. I had tons of fun on the road!

Yea I surly did not mean any offense - It was a line from a comedian and fit the thread pretty well if you had been following previous posts- In a list of comments about how workplace rules come about based on the complaints of the uninformed - It was probably one of the least offensive posts in the thread

Your math is very confused - as well as your definition of average -

Here from the dictionary is the definition of average -

1 a: a single value (as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or represents the general significance of a set of unequal values
b:mean 1b

2 a: an estimation of or approximation to an arithmetic mean
b: a level (as of intelligence) typical of a group, class, or series <above the average>

synonyms average, mean, median, norm

average - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Average = Median - They are the same thing - The Mathematical average/median of 100% is 50% - Only those that fall right on the 50% line are truly average - 50.001% is at the bottom end of Above Average - and 49.9999% is the highest you can go on the below average side of the median/average line - Kinda like the way the moon is only actually full for about 4 seconds - It's a very fine line with only 1% of any given population or data being "average" as applies to anything - weight, age, intelligence, shoe size . . . . . .

It is not saying half the people in the world are stupid - But it is a Mathematical FACT that they are below average! It is a very long drive between Stephen Hawking and Stupid - Plenty of room in between.

Perhaps your number more accurately represents how many are truly ......? Being in the bottom 50% of the below average range is pretty low on the scale - That would put one in the bottom 25% out of 100% - Is that what you mean?

Your math is really not adding up with the definition of average

 

[ramblingrose]

Yea I surly did not mean any offense - It was a line from a comedian and fit the thread pretty well if you had been following previous posts- In a list of comments about how workplace rules come about based on the complaints of the uninformed - It was probably one of the least offensive posts in the thread

Your math is very confused - as well as your definition of average -

Here from the dictionary is the definition of average -

1 a: a single value (as a mean, mode, or median) that summarizes or represents the general significance of a set of unequal values
b:mean 1b

2 a: an estimation of or approximation to an arithmetic mean
b: a level (as of intelligence) typical of a group, class, or series <above the average>

synonyms average, mean, median, norm

average - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Average = Median - They are the same thing - The Mathematical average/median of 100% is 50% - Only those that fall right on the 50% line are truly average - 50.001% is at the bottom end of Above Average - and 49.9999% is the highest you can go on the below average side of the median/average line - Kinda like the way the moon is only actually full for about 4 seconds - It's a very fine line with only 1% of any given population or data being "average" as applies to anything - weight, age, intelligence, shoe size . . . . . .

It is not saying half the people in the world are stupid - But it is a Mathematical FACT that they are below average! It is a very long drive between Stephen Hawking and Stupid - Plenty of room in between.

Perhaps your number more accurately represents how many are truly ......? Being in the bottom 50% of the below average range is pretty low on the scale - That would put one in the bottom 25% out of 100% - Is that what you mean?

Your math is really not adding up with the definition of average

Okay, this is starting to get silly. My math is not wrong, nor is my definition. The internet or a dictionary defintition doesn't provide answers to everything.

By your logic someone with an IQ of 99 is below average. Not so. Average intelligence is not 100. It's 90-110 (aka the 'norm'; aka your definition 2b above), with 50% of all falling in this range. The term 'below average intelligence' applies to the 25% with IQs of 89 or lower, not 99 or lower. 100 is specifically the Median, with 1/2 falling below and 1/2 falling above it. There is a single, finite median. The use and definition of Average goes beyond the pure math definition, and with many applications is not a single point. One application would be the accepted definitiion of average intelligence - it's 90-110, not 100.

As I said before, I'm glad your one-liner wasn't meant as it appeared.

I hope we're done with this.

 

[Bones]

There is nothing wrong in what you just said regarding IQ- But - Average/median of the whole is entirely different than an IQ score- IQ is not a 1-100 scale - The comic was not talking about IQ it was about median/average and basic math - IQ is not math it is psychology -
You are right this is silly and I am done

 

[ramblingrose]

There is nothing wrong in what you just said regarding IQ- But - Average/median of the whole is entirely different than an IQ score- IQ is not a 1-100 scale - The comic was not talking about IQ it was about median/average and basic math - IQ is not math it is psychology -
You are right this is silly and I am done

At least we now agree on 4 things. How ludicrous this is, that IQ isn't a 1-100 scale (I'm afraid to ask where that came from), that math (which you hung your logic on) isn't relevant, and that this is done.

 

[Bones]

At least we now agree on 4 things. How ludicrous this is, that IQ isn't a 1-100 scale (I'm afraid to ask where that came from), that math (which you hung your logic on) isn't relevant, and that this is done.

or so I thought LOL - It's not logic - It was just a JOKE!
One that you really don't like or understand - get over it -

 

[ramblingrose]

or so I thought LOL - It's not logic - It was just a JOKE!
One that you really don't like or understand - get over it -

Nothing to get over at all... I'm just sitting here LMAO at everything after your 'joke'.

All this isn't what anyone comes here to see. I'm done with it.

 

[PTJD]

You are right this is silly and I am done

All this isn't what anyone comes here to see. I'm done with it.

Thank you both!!!

 

[Ivisi]

Thank you both!!!

Now that was a funny joke.

Ivisi

 

[JJames68]

I was informed yesterday that I can no longer use my ecig at work because "it looks like a cigarette and doesn't look good in the public's eye" Over the past couple of months Ive had the luxury of using my ecig at work, no one complained. But one of my co workers this week raised a complaint to my supervisor and low and behold, no more esmoking for me.

I guess I'll have to leave the premises like the rest of the analog smokers and take a 10minute break!

this is why I do not smoke e-cigarettes that look like cigarettes, the 510 manual doesn't even have a led, guess more bathroom breaks for you

 

[PTJD]

Now that was a funny joke.

Ivisi

Sorry, I actually meant it!

 

[Bones]

Sorry, I actually meant it!

I'm sorry as well - And - You are most welcome

 

[ramblingrose]

this is why I do not smoke e-cigarettes that look like cigarettes, the 510 manual doesn't even have a led, guess more bathroom breaks for you

I'm with you - comfortable with a Janty Stick and LEDless 510. I do wish more of the suppliers offered an option for the 510 bats without the LED.

Vaping at work isn't a problem for me. I was the last smoker, and everyone loves that the smell is finally gone.

 

[jiuyueguizi]

I was informed yesterday that I can no longer use my ecig at work because "it looks like a cigarette and doesn't look good in the public's eye" Over the past couple of months Ive had the luxury of using my ecig at work, no one complained. But one of my co workers this week raised a complaint to my supervisor and low and behold, no more esmoking for me.

I guess I'll have to leave the premises like the rest of the analog smokers and take a 10minute break!

8-othen report the relation between vaporing and productivity to your supervisor. he will focus more on the value created by employees

 

[intheb0x]

I can not believe you folks are encouraging someone to violate company policy and put their employment at risk. What are you? 9 years old? This is not sneaking a piece of candy or chewing gum in the back row of the class in elementary school. This is someone's job and in case you hadn't noticed the job market isn't exactly as friendly as it used to be. So, what is this person supposed to say at their next interview or write on their application as to why they no longer work there? That they didn't agree with set policy and did what they wanted anyway despite having been warned? You folks need to grow up.

actually you dont have to tell anything on a job app, you can simply say you quit, because its illegal for a company to just tell any random person that you got fired, why you got fired and so on.


im not disagreeing with what you said, but im simply pointing something out.

 

[Andy867]

The real question is what grounds do they hold on banning you from vaping? there is no second-hand smoke, no harmful by-products are released(unless the guy is allergic to water, then he is royally ****ed) Who cares if it LOOKS like a cigarette? If anything, the manager should be glad that you are getting your nicotine fix WITHOUT having to take a 'smoke break'.

 

[waveho]

The real question is what grounds do they hold on banning you from vaping? there is no second-hand smoke, no harmful by-products are released(unless the guy is allergic to water, then he is royally ****ed) Who cares if it LOOKS like a cigarette? If anything, the manager should be glad that you are getting your nicotine fix WITHOUT having to take a 'smoke break'.

As a general rule, your employer can rightfully tell you not to smoke on the job, not to vape on the job, not to play the banjo, skip-to-the-loo, do the Icky Shuffle, etc. If your boss says you can't vape, then go through the proper channels to request an appeal or variance. If no dice, then don't vape. If you must, then do it on your regular breaks. You can do it in the bathroom stall, as mentioned. This is new technology that people just don't understand completely and until the e-cig is a generally known and understood entity, be polite, be informative, and enjoy yourself.

 

[renderwerks]

Guess I'm lucky. My boss thinks it's a great thing. He defends it and has said if I catch any flack from it, refer them to him (he's a vice president).

I asked if I should inform HR about it; he said: "naw, don't worry about it, I've got your back".

I've gotten a few people interested in PV's at work, and the general tone I get is approval.

 

[tescela]

My company, a Children's Hospital, just went completey non-smoking on campus a little over a year ago. To be honest, I don't really want to advertise at work out of fear I will be told I can't do it. So, I do it at my desk (I'm in the back corner of the department) where no one can see me. My only fear is someone sneaking up behind me, but I usually hear them coming. I have showed the smokers I know, but just don't want to cause all sorts of issues that will lead to them banning these as well.

I completely agree it increases productivity. To smoke, I have to get in my car and leave. My typical 10 minute breaks were increased to 20-30 minutes because I had to get to the parking garage and leave the premises. If I have to do that much, you are darn tootin' I'm gonna have 2-3, so there goes at least 1-2 hours of my day (with 3-4 breaks). LOL I can get a lot done in that time. Companies really need to latch on to these, they are a brilliant productivity booster.

Why do you continue to work for a company that would discriminate against you?

 

[tescela]

I was informed yesterday that I can no longer use my ecig at work because "it looks like a cigarette and doesn't look good in the public's eye" Over the past couple of months Ive had the luxury of using my ecig at work, no one complained. But one of my co workers this week raised a complaint to my supervisor and low and behold, no more esmoking for me.

I guess I'll have to leave the premises like the rest of the analog smokers and take a 10minute break!

Or, get a new job! Why would you contribute to an organization that discriminates against you?!!