Ecig Exploded

[roxynoodle]

RTAs are perfectly safe to use on mechs. Its the clearos where people are having issues. Of course, on the direct to battery mechs the same rules apply on the 510 pin. It must protrude at least a mm and not move or be able to be pushed up.

 

[WharfRat1976]

Poor kid. Amazing there isn't one a day of this type of accident.

 

[VHRB2014]

Give that kid a radial saw, he deserves it. The parents? SMH.

 

[Angel1964]

You can order anything online and nobody would know your age. Most sites say enter if 18 or older (19 in Canada). I thought E Juices with nicotine were illegal to sell in Canada when I started vaping but you can buy it everywhere now, even 7-11. As soon as my husband saw that article and told me the kid was 16, I immediately thought to myself, he has no knowledge or care about safety.

 

[Ou2mame]

I feel bad about the kid, but this could happen with anything. If he was into electronics and tried to power a DC motor with ac power he could die, or whatever. Electric is dangerous. This was just a mistake caused by no knowledge or research. I think hybrid caps should be an industry standard of a different type than a 510, that would prevent 90% of these explosions. people would have to buy adapters or new atties.. But it would save a few people from this. It's like the diesel pump not fitting in a gasoline filler hole.

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[DC2]

Just last week, my father put a watch battery in his pocket while he was at work, come home to find it exploded and leaked all over his front pocket because keys shorted it.

Many folks here would say your father is stupid.
I most certainly would not, but I know others who would.

 

[Bunnykiller]

the dad is fussing about age requirements but yet he let his 16 y/o son use the device?? ummmm whats wrong with this picture??

 

[Annie56]

So my thot on this may show my ignorance, in 'chucking clouds'. But some of these devices seem to have some kind of half-a**ed 'hybrid connection'. Is a 'hybrid connection' supposed to be some kind of selling point? The phrase that comes immediately to my mind (to OF AGE vapers)--is 's***, or get off the can'. If one wants to purchase a hybrid atomizer and tube mod, then purchase an atty with a HYBRID CONNECTION. What is the deal with these janky 510 wanna-be hybrid things??They are a battery short waiting to happen. Why don't some of these vape shops educate themselves on what they are actually selling? Never mind how low of a resistance that build was, or that he was a minor being permitted to do something unlawful for minors. Craziness. I hope that he makes a full recovery.

 

[Bunnykiller]

customer walks in with 50$, seller will sell what ever to retrieve that 50$... even if it is dangerous in some cases...

 

[Douggro]

AKA - Ad Revenue.

Analytics are amazing... especially when paired with Google and AdSense. I wouldn't be surprised if some of these reporters have had their jobs threatened by low numbers of clicks on their past articles.

Origins of the term "click-bait".
Truth? Irrelevant.
Facts? Meaningless.
Research? Wasted time.
Clicks? Priceless. Okay, not priceless, because you are being judged on those. And the ads that get displayed, generating revenue.

All about the clicks, about the clicks, mmm, mmm...

Bubble-headed bleach blonde, comes on at five
Talks about the plane crash with a gleam in her eye
It's interesting when people die
Give us Dirty Laundry

 

[Lessifer]

What can be learned from this?
An incident like this is caused by a chain of design errors, user actions, and possibly a battery fault.

- Sealed metal tubes will probably explode if a battery vents violently

-Batteries are designed to vent gas from the top; its what keeps the cell itself from exploding. The battery may physically block gas from escaping to the bottom of the mod should there be vent holes in the bottom

- Small vents at the bottom of the tube are useless, only very large gas vents near the top have a good chance of preventing an explosion
Mech Mods with top venting holes?

- Building coils lower than 0.2 ohm will raise the amp draw exponentially and this increases risk - the power graph shows a significant change at 0.2 ohms and starts to climb vertically as resistance is reduced further

- Using cheap batteries with ultra low res coils is a certain route to high risk - it needs 30 amp batteries of guaranteed high quality

- Using long draws or machine-gun draws to create monster clouds stresses the battery much more

- Cloud Contests are events where people put ultra high stress on their rig to create monster clouds; if spectating, you could consider standing at the back of the room to stay safe

- If you run a Cloud Contest then you should probably check that your personal and business insurance is really, really good and is appropriate for dangerous sports

- People are now discussing the safety (!) involved with putting 100-amp pulses on their batteries in order to create the biggest clouds with the lowest resistance coils; there is only one way this is going to go and you don't want to be within the explosion radius: someone may have a counterfeit battery, or one that is just too small for this extreme usage mode together with ignoring the device getting warm or even hot.​

You actually missed the most relevant one to this incident. If you are using a device with a direct to battery connection, ensure that your center pin protrudes past the 510 threads, and does not move. Everything else is irrelevant if you hard short the battery by screwing in the atomizer.

I feel bad about the kid, but this could happen with anything. If he was into electronics and tried to power a DC motor with ac power he could die, or whatever. Electric is dangerous. This was just a mistake caused by no knowledge or research. I think hybrid caps should be an industry standard of a different type than a 510, that would prevent 90% of these explosions. people would have to buy adapters or new atties.. But it would save a few people from this. It's like the diesel pump not fitting in a gasoline filler hole.

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What you're asking for are true hybrids, where there is no top cap, the atomizer screws into the mod tube itself. These fake hybrid caps, or direct to battery connection caps are to give mods the "look" of a hybrid, and supposedly to minimize the voltage drop of a regular connection. These connections are not necessarily bad, but they require someone to have the knowledge of what is appropriate to use with them.

Many folks here would say your father is stupid.
I most certainly would not, but I know others who would.

Ignorance is not the same as stupidity. It may not even be ignorance though, probably more like forgetfully carefree? I'm firmly in the camp that something like this IS user error, but I don't think stupidity is the cause.

 

[suprtrkr]

I feel bad about the kid, but this could happen with anything. If he was into electronics and tried to power a DC motor with ac power he could die, or whatever. Electric is dangerous. This was just a mistake caused by no knowledge or research. I think hybrid caps should be an industry standard of a different type than a 510, that would prevent 90% of these explosions. people would have to buy adapters or new atties.. But it would save a few people from this. It's like the diesel pump not fitting in a gasoline filler hole.

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That, actually, is an excellent idea.

 

[crxess]

That, actually, is an excellent idea.

Hybrid Caps Are fairly standard. That is NOT the issue. The issue is using a Proper 510 connected device through the Hybrid Cap.
510 Center pin MUST protrude
510 length may become an issue - see 4Nine fixed switch length

The BIG words new Vapers keep hearing is Vaping is SAFER than Smoking..........

How does a NEW Vaper associate those words?
Health?
Chemicals?
Mechanical functionality?



Latest Craz........ Mtn. Dew/Racing Fuel.............are we so sure some amount of STUPIDITY is not involved in peoples actions?

*...............and why write laws to fix it? I have always been told, you can't fix Stupid.......Why waste paper?

 

[daviedog]

Life is a 'bell curve'.
Woe to those at the left..

 

[suprtrkr]

Hybrid Caps Are fairly standard. That is NOT the issue. The issue is using a Proper 510 connected device through the Hybrid Cap.
510 Center pin MUST protrude
510 length may become an issue - see 4Nine fixed switch length

The BIG words new Vapers keep hearing is Vaping is SAFER than Smoking..........

How does a NEW Vaper associate those words?
Health?
Chemicals?
Mechanical functionality?



Latest Craz........ Mtn. Dew/Racing Fuel.............are we so sure some amount of STUPIDITY is not involved in peoples actions?

*...............and why write laws to fix it? I have always been told, you can't fix Stupid.......Why waste paper?

I don't disagree. However, I still think a different thread for the faux hybrid caps is a good idea as as inappropriate 510 toppers would not fit it. Toppers intended for that use could be made with a protruding and immobile center pin.

 

[Hans Wermhat]

A $5 heat sink with an adjustable pin would save us from having a lot of these discussions. Makes any topper safe on a faux hybrid.

 

[daviedog]

I don't disagree. However, I still think a different thread for the faux hybrid caps is a good idea as as inappropriate 510 toppers would not fit it. Toppers intended for that use could be made with a protruding and immobile center pin.

Best idea I've seen in this thread..

 

[crxess]

I don't disagree. However, I still think a different thread for the faux hybrid caps is a good idea as as inappropriate 510 toppers would not fit it. Toppers intended for that use could be made with a protruding and immobile center pin.

While that sounds good, that is the whole purpose of True Hybrids. Tank and Mod Matched.
Quasi-Hybrids are the ones with Center hole Caps and for experienced users, are as safe as any other Mechanical Mod of similar design.
* I say similar as there are many variations in Manufacture.
Venting
Switch
Material and thickness
Thread patterns

The True key to Safety is education.
The educated person will not choose to use a Mechanical Mod in a manor to promote self inflicted pain.

**Point:
Ordered my first 4Nine, even after hearing tails of auto firing and Venting Batteries. Read all I could find about the mod before it arrived.
Studied the mod and did some measuring/test fitting once received.

I found 1/2 the owners were Clueless as to why they had the problems they complained about. Simply due to not being prepared for this type of equipment.
I have (2) 4Nine quasi-hybrids and never have issues with either because I pay attention to their design parameters and Battery safety.

By Education I do mean SELF Education. One must Desire to become Aware.

 

[Lessifer]

I don't disagree. However, I still think a different thread for the faux hybrid caps is a good idea as as inappropriate 510 toppers would not fit it. Toppers intended for that use could be made with a protruding and immobile center pin.

I'm not saying this wouldn't help alleviate the "problem," but it would defeat the purpose of the "hybrid-style" top caps. They exist so that you can make "any" atomizer attain the hybrid look with your mod.

 

[motordude]

Imagine that an accident in this day and age. Accidents happen, analyze it all you want.