Edition 2 Cartomizers and the Manufacturers Intent

[Scottbee]

Two things:

1) The Joye 510 class units aren't "3.3V", and I don't know who started "smudging" the numbers. 3.1V effective is about right, on a good day.

2) Since the performance problem with the E2 cartos appears to be a time-constant issue associated with the wicking material selection and configuration... pics probably aren't going to tell you much.

At some point hooplah becomes a bit ridiculous. We are probably a bit past that point.

 

[zelda]

All the comments and concerns that the members of ECF have voiced about the new carts seems to have paid off. I've seen pics of a new design that will go into production soon that appears to fix all the problems! Of course seeing pics and using it are two different things I know, but given the progression of versions I've been talking about this latest one look to be THE one. I'll report back to the forums when I find out more.

Where are you getting pictures and progress reports of the new design?

 

[naviathan]

Two things:

1) The Joye 510 class units aren't "3.3V", and I don't know who started "smudging" the numbers. 3.1V effective is about right, on a good day.

2) Since the performance problem with the E2 cartos appears to be a time-constant issue associated with the wicking material selection and configuration... pics probably aren't going to tell you much.

At some point hooplah becomes a bit ridiculous. We are probably a bit past that point.

Actually pics tell quite a bit when it comes to the size of the wick, the size of the cup openings and how tight the coil is wound which all effect the time constant of wicking.

Where are you getting pictures and progress reports of the new design?

I'm getting them from the manufacturer of course.

 

[v1John]

Two things:

1) The Joye 510 class units aren't "3.3V", and I don't know who started "smudging" the numbers. 3.1V effective is about right, on a good day.
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They make 3.3v KR808D1 batteries now. I'm ordering some. They have a new controller circuit int them. Close enough, under load and after minutes of usage you may even get 3.1 or 3.0 volts. That could be good.

 

[naviathan]

If you currently have an order in and it has not shipped you may see a 3-5 day delay in shipping. If you do that means you will be receiving the new revision of the carts!

 

[jjrose]

So if I order now will I be getting the revised version?
Did they revise all types? 510s

 

[naviathan]

So if I order now will I be getting the revised version?
Did they revise all types? 510s

Yes if you order now you should receive the new design, and yes all the models will be in the new design.

 

[v1John]

Yes if you order now you should receive the new design, and yes all the models will be in the new design.

Which design change are you talking about?
> The 3.3v vs 3.7V?
> The short vs the XL51mm?
> or another revision?

I still want my 3.3volt cartos, because I also ordered 3.3volt batteries for them.

 

[naviathan]

Which design change are you talking about?
> The 3.3v vs 3.7V?
> The short vs the XL51mm?
> or another revision?

I still want my 3.3volt cartos, because I also ordered 3.3volt batteries for them.

I'm talking about an internal design change. The 3.3v versus the 3.7v is a coil change. The short versus the XL51mm is a change in the tube. This revision is a change in the internal components of the cartos and should make a huge difference in the speed at which it wicks liquid. I'm sorry I'm being so vague about what changes have occurred, but this isn't my design and since he doesn't want me sharing the pics I'm sure he doesn't want me detailing what has changed.

 

[Scottbee]

Actually pics tell quite a bit when it comes to the size of the wick, the size of the cup openings and how tight the coil is wound which all effect the time constant of wicking.

I can assure you, with a very high level of confidence, that the pictures aren't going to tell you if it is going to work.

I am thrilled that I didn't throw any money at this (apparently) failed design attempt, and I am glad that we have people like Leaford who can sample designs like this (virtually at the source) and let us know if it will satisfy the masses.

I will gladly continue to test and sample prototypes from the manufacturers and will do my best to give unbiased analysis and reviews. But I'm certainly not going to get excited (nor will I try to get anybody else excited) about any pre-release or pre-testing hype. The history of this industry shows us clearly that few products or innovations live up to the promise.

 

[naviathan]

I can assure you, with a very high level of confidence, that the pictures aren't going to tell you if it is going to work.

No, not with any certainty you're right. Like I said, I'm excited about it because the changes I've seen are the same changes I considered making to the original design to improve it's performance.

I am thrilled that I didn't throw any money at this (apparently) failed design attempt, and I am glad that we have people like Leaford who can sample designs like this (virtually at the source) and let us know if it will satisfy the masses.

Is Leaford in Spain? I'd love it if he could go see Martinez and check out the prototypes first hand.

I will gladly continue to test and sample prototypes from the manufacturers and will do my best to give unbiased analysis and reviews. But I'm certainly not going to get excited (nor will I try to get anybody else excited) about any pre-release or pre-testing hype. The history of this industry shows us clearly that few products or innovations live up to the promise.

True, but this design is unlike any that we've seen yet. This one actually attempts to do something we've all been pushing for. The filler material is part of the reason we have sooooo many threads on cart mods.

 

[lonercom]

From what I understand, Leaford is still attending to the affairs of his (recently) late Mother's estate.

No, not with any certainty you're right. Like I said, I'm excited about it because the changes I've seen are the same changes I considered making to the original design to improve it's performance.

Is Leaford in Spain? I'd love it if he could go see Martinez and check out the prototypes first hand.

True, but this design is unlike any that we've seen yet. This one actually attempts to do something we've all been pushing for. The filler material is part of the reason we have sooooo many threads on cart mods.

 

[mister kil]

I wonder what the incentive is, for people who have not even tried a product, to slam said product so heavily when the reviews have not been 100% to the negative.
It seems like the positive reviews get FLAME JOBBED quickly and heavily. It makes me uneasy about what the true motivation of some of these people are. I have been using the 510 CE2's for nearly a week and have been more than somewhat satisfied, and only on a few points have been less than fully satisfied.
After reading what design changes they have come up with it sounds like they would cover 50% of my complaint with these. The only other complaint that I would still be wary about in the revisions is that in the current edition the contacts do not complete the circuit correctly 100% of the time w/o some josteling to make good contact. That being said I only have had that problem with a few carto's.

 

[Quick1]

I wonder what the incentive is, for people who have not even tried a product, to slam said product so heavily when the reviews have not been 100% to the negative.
It seems like the positive reviews get FLAME JOBBED quickly and heavily. It makes me uneasy about what the true motivation of some of these people are.

Ummm, I think their motivation is that they don't want to see yet another totally unknown product promoted as the best thing since sliced bread without more information.

I don't think all the positive review got flame jobbed since, to my knowledge, there has been exactly 1 positive review by someone who had never tried a cartomizer before. I guess we can add your review to the positive side? Was that a review you just gave? And there have been multiple negative reviews (or at least, less than positive).

With more reviews will come more confidence one way or the other.

By the way... loose contacts? In the cartomizer? I think that's a problem with your PV or adapter. If there are loose contacts in the cartomizer then it's a non-starter. But like I said, I think your intermittent problem is not with the cartomizer. -- You didn't say what connector type you're using or if you're using an adapter with it?

 

[mister kil]

I'm using the 510's on 510's. I figured the problem out now and they all work great for me. The problem was even the smallest amount of debris on the contact doesn't let the circuit complete. I think it is due to the cone shaped contact, so there is less surface area to connect with.

I didn't want to bother adding my positive review until I had used them for a few weeks so I could give one that was more informed and tested, but as it stands right now it will be in the positive context.

Since I have not tried an edition one I have no other carto to compare it to.

That being said I think someone who has only used carts or dripped would enjoy these.

Edit: A naysayer dismissing positive review that is giving positive information w/o trying something themselves first and doing all they can to nay say repeatedly, in my mind would mean they are either in cahoots with someone who has something to gain by such said action, or if that is not the case they just love to be contrary hence making them a FlameJobber.

 

[radicaljd]

I was wondering, are any suppliers in the US selling the CE-2, or do I still need to get 'em from China to try it out?

RadicalJD

 

[v1John]

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I didn't want to bother adding my positive review until I had used them for a few weeks so I could give one that was more informed and tested, but as it stands right now it will be in the positive context.

Since I have not tried an edition one I have no other carto to compare it to.

That being said I think someone who has only used carts or dripped would enjoy these.

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Actually a CE1 (edition 1 cartomizer) is also brand new and much longer than the old cartomizers:

...Just a reminder to the readers.
Next week, e-liquid will also be selling the CE2 in the CE1 length, capable of holding more liquid.

 

[naviathan]

I was wondering, are any suppliers in the US selling the CE-2, or do I still need to get 'em from China to try it out?

RadicalJD

There are a few people selling some of the ones they bought, tested and didn't like. If you're looking for the newer revisions though you'll have to order from sites like e-liquid.cn.

 

[v1John]

...Or get together with someone who is ordering and combine the orders.





When I ordered, my shopping cart was such that I could add a vGo kit for $26 and zero shipping , and I did. I literally ordered a vGo kit for $26 and zero shipping.


It pays to play around with your shopping cart and see what all you can put in it.

 

[naviathan]

Martinez sent a video of someone vaping it up on the new cartos. Check it out, doesn't look bad at all, but I wish it would have lasted longer so we could see it keep going.

YouTube - Edition2.wmv