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[irwink]

Don't get me wrong, but I think this snobby myth needs to die. I come from the exact opposite point of view. I started out with single coil Kangers and kept hearing all the hype about building your own. So I got a Magma and Omega and built just about every fashionable kind of coil (I didn't bother with RTAs, since the snobs told me that drippers are soooo much better). I tried all the various wicks (organic cotton, rayon, etc.) and I was kinda happy, since they were in fact better than my Kangers. But then came the dual coil Aspires and Kangers and I tried them and was so pleasantly surprised that my drippers and Kanthal and cotton are now gathering dust. Now we have the next myth about the BVCs being so much better than the older coils. I would like to see a blinded study in which all the gurus are given various veiled devices with the various coils and heads and then identify which is which correctly. I bet they will fail.

Agreed. I've tried a lot of devices, wound all kinds of coils and experimented with various wick materials. I've got a genuine kfl+ and some others that perform pretty well but now gather dust for the most part. I've been an electronics hobbyist for decades and I'm about done for now with the hassle of building coils when there are now factory built stock coiled devices that perform quite well for relatively cheap. That relatively cheap factors in my time and labor. Just pop in a new coil or carto and go is my preference.

Sure, tinkering is fun and I'm not by any means knocking it. If that's your thing then knock yourself out. As for me there's enough good performing off the shelf toppers and parts out there now that I'm done winding coils unless forced to do so by the intervention of corrupt government in the ecig market. I'm more into flavor than producing massive clouds. I see no advantage other than bragging rights to producing massive amounts of vapor at the expense of flavor. I've never had any device at whatever resistance firing at higher than 17 watts.

But I'll leave open the possibility that my mind could be changed by a new product topper. Ecig equipment has changed so dramatically since I started that's it's hard to remember the 'bad old days' now.

 

[DPLongo22]

I do keep the Provari and 4 batteries in my glove box just in case.

THAT'S what I'm talking about. I just couldn't envision FULLY trusting ANY one device. You never know...

 

[DPLongo22]

Don't get me wrong, but I think this snobby myth needs to die. I come from the exact opposite point of view. I started out with single coil Kangers and kept hearing all the hype about building your own. So I got a Magma and Omega and built just about every fashionable kind of coil (I didn't bother with RTAs, since the snobs told me that drippers are soooo much better). I tried all the various wicks (organic cotton, rayon, etc.) and I was kinda happy, since they were in fact better than my Kangers. But then came the dual coil Aspires and Kangers and I tried them and was so pleasantly surprised that my drippers and Kanthal and cotton are now gathering dust. Now we have the next myth about the BVCs being so much better than the older coils. I would like to see a blinded study in which all the gurus are given various veiled devices with the various coils and heads and then identify which is which correctly. I bet they will fail.

I agree with everything but the last point. There is a discernible difference, and I'd willingly take that test 1000 times. I've tried them all enough to know that I'd be able to pick out the BVC's with but a few pulls. You can not only feel it, but you can taste it.

 

[R1Barlow]

Where do you get the Rayon Fiber wick material?

 

[MikeE3]

I got mine on sale from rock bottom here. $33.95 + $2.50 flat rate shipping, had in in 2 days. Not shabby at all! Of course, transit wise it helps that I'm in the same state!

My wife and I each have, and like, an iStick. She's thinking a a second one, does this one come w/ the knurled ego adapter?

 

[KTMRider]

Where do you get the Rayon Fiber wick material?

Sally's Beauty Supply.

My wife and I each have, and like, an iStick. She's thinking a a second one, does this one come w/ the knurled ego adapter?

Don't know but the one I got from VapeNW came with the 510 to ego adapter. $35 shipped from eBay.

 

[whodat2112]

Mine from VapeNW on Ebay, did not have the adapter

 

[bsoplinger]

Where do you get the Rayon Fiber wick material?

There's a huge thread here at ECF about rayon as a wicking material. Go back a few hundred posts and you'll find pics, descriptions and even a few videos. All and more than you'll ever want to know about rayon as a wick material.

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[Katya]

But I'll leave open the possibility that my mind could be changed by a new product topper. Ecig equipment has changed so dramatically since I started that's it's hard to remember the 'bad old days' now.

The more things change...

In the beginning, there was a 3-piece.

But everybody hated those leaky cartridges, so some people decided to just forgo the cartridge, add a drip tip and started direct dripping. There are still people who claim that drippers offer the best hit, flavor and vapor production. Cisco brought them to a whole new level, BTW, but the basic construction is the same. Just the heating coil--nothing else.

But dripping was often impractical--one couldn't very well drip and drive, for instance. A cartomizer was born, AKA a 2-piece model--the atomizing coil and wick were wrapped in polyfill that held a steady supply of juice for the coil.

There was a vertical coil cartomizer:

A horizontal coil cartomizer (the coil was placed at the bottom, top, or in the middle, depending on manufacturer) :

But the filler was still burning, So somebody invented dual and triple coil cartomizer (to reduce the heat of the coils while still supplying lots of vapor). Good idea, poor execution.

Next step--putting a carto in some kind of a tank to ensure continuous juice supply to the coil--a cut syringe and a juice bottle cartomizer tank mods were invented:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zer-technical-discussion-196.html#post1992661

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-tutorial-how-make-your-own.html#post5267182

That was a brilliant idea and the rest is history--carto tanks, Microcig and CE2, 3, 4, 5..., and finally clearomizers/tankomizers/ glassomizers. We understood the importance of wattages, air flow, gravity (top coils are going away), we've improved the construction of a tankomizer, but we are still (again?) wrapping a heating coil in a wad of of filler. The only thing Aspire did differently with their BVC was to wrap it in a fiberglass (crumbly) mesh. It's conceivable that fiberglass mesh can withstand higher temperatures and/or wick faster than polyfill, just guessing here, but I'm still not convinced that I want it in my clearomizer. But that's just me.

The rebuildables were also invented by our (and German) modders. But it's a different conversation altogether.

 

[Katya]

There's a huge thread here at ECF about rayon as a wicking material. Go back a few hundred posts and you'll find pics, descriptions and even a few videos. All and more than you'll ever want to know about rayon as a wick material.

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And Phil made a video--veeeeeeeeeeeeeery long.

Japanese cotton and rayon were the winners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcZjaG9RPZ4

 

[Ryan Lee]

Don't get me wrong, but I think this snobby myth needs to die. I come from the exact opposite point of view. I started out with single coil Kangers and kept hearing all the hype about building your own. So I got a Magma and Omega and built just about every fashionable kind of coil (I didn't bother with RTAs, since the snobs told me that drippers are soooo much better). I tried all the various wicks (organic cotton, rayon, etc.) and I was kinda happy, since they were in fact better than my Kangers. But then came the dual coil Aspires and Kangers and I tried them and was so pleasantly surprised that my drippers and Kanthal and cotton are now gathering dust. Now we have the next myth about the BVCs being so much better than the older coils. I would like to see a blinded study in which all the gurus are given various veiled devices with the various coils and heads and then identify which is which correctly. I bet they will fail.

I am so sorry that I offended you, I was just stating more of an opinion and my path to where I got since everyone was discussing rebuilding kanger / aspire heads. I agree with most of your opinion, but I wouldn't say the people that like to diy and save a ton of money along the way would be considered "snobs." I can make a hand wrapped coil that takes 30 seconds to wrap and another 30 to mount last me for at least a month with the occasional simple dry burn / re-wick. And for pennies on the dollar at that. And I dont know, if you can;t distinguish the difference of flavor between a tank with a stock head and a rda/rta, than clearly you have not had the proper build!
There was no point to be offended, and to throw name calling in. We are all different, and we all have our own desires and things we enjoy. I was basically stating that if you enjoy wrapping coils for your Nautilus / Protank, "which happens to be where most of us start," to maybe try out an rda / rta for an easier experience and imo better performance and quality!
Love to you, and once again sorry to strike a bad cord!

 

[oplholik]

[http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...zer-technical-discussion-196.html#post1992661

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...o-tutorial-how-make-your-own.html#post5267182

That was a brilliant idea and the rest is history--carto tanks, Microcig and CE2, 3, 4, 5..., and finally clearomizers/tankomizers/ glassomizers. We understood the importance of wattages, air flow, gravity (top coils are going away), we've improved the construction of a tankomizer, but we are still (again?) wrapping a heating coil in a wad of of filler. The only thing Aspire did differently with their BVC was to wrap it in a fiberglass (crumbly) mesh. It's conceivable that fiberglass mesh can withstand higher temperatures and/or wick faster than polyfill, just guessing here, but I'm still not convinced that I want it in my clearomizer. But that's just me.

The rebuildables were also invented by our (and German) modders. But it's a different conversation altogether.[/QUOTE]

I remember those days, the Ghetto tank comes to mind. I made plenty of my own tanks.

 

[Katya]

I remember those days, the Ghetto tank comes to mind. I made plenty of my own tanks.

I tried to make a syringe mod--once.

But I figured that sooner or later somebody would offer a commercially made carto tank. I was right. I think GummyBear was the first one.

 

[whodat2112]

Syringe Mod you say

They actually work very well!!

 

[Katya]

Syringe Mod you say

They actually work very well!!

They sure do.

 

[armadillo]

I am so sorry that I offended you, I was just stating more of an opinion and my path to where I got since everyone was discussing rebuilding kanger / aspire heads. I agree with most of your opinion, but I wouldn't say the people that like to diy and save a ton of money along the way would be considered "snobs." I can make a hand wrapped coil that takes 30 seconds to wrap and another 30 to mount last me for at least a month with the occasional simple dry burn / re-wick. And for pennies on the dollar at that. And I dont know, if you can;t distinguish the difference of flavor between a tank with a stock head and a rda/rta, than clearly you have not had the proper build!
There was no point to be offended, and to throw name calling in. We are all different, and we all have our own desires and things we enjoy. I was basically stating that if you enjoy wrapping coils for your Nautilus / Protank, "which happens to be where most of us start," to maybe try out an rda / rta for an easier experience and imo better performance and quality!
Love to you, and once again sorry to strike a bad cord!

No bad chord and this wasn't directed at you personally. It's just that I keep hearing this stuff all the time by the self-proclaimed vaping experts. You need a subohm build, preferably micro or diamond coil in a dripper, mech mod with copper contacts in order to experience good flavor and plumes of vapor. Everything alse is beginner's and kiddie stuff. Lemme show you how the pros do it. Your post simply triggered my more general point, since again you made claims that self-coiled drippers or tanks are so superior to the commercial heads (even when rebuilt). In your reply you again perpetuate the myth that if I don't experience the superior flavor with self-made coils, then I'm are not doing it right. You know, I'm really happy for anyone who likes their hobby and think their coils are God's gift to humanity. I actually fell for it. But I am telling all those who simply want to enjoy vaping without spending inordinate amounts of time and money on this hobby that they aren't missing much. The current commercial heads are just as good as the one's rolled by the so-called experts and there is absolutely no reason to grow an inferiority complex. I've done both and I can assure you that the current crop of commercial coil heads are just fine. Stop listening to the folks who want to impress you with their coils and setups. Enjoy the vaping gear you have just as much as the pros like to brag about theirs.

 

[Katya]

Stop listening to the folks who want to impress you with their coils and setups. Enjoy the vaping gear you have just as much as the pros like to brag about theirs.

Yeah... Whatever works. And 200- and 400-watt mods (yes, I've seen a 400W model, it's called a competition mod ) are really not going to make things any better, either.

 

[MikeE3]

No bad chord and this wasn't directed at you personally. It's just that I keep hearing this stuff all the time by the self-proclaimed vaping experts. You need a subohm build, preferably micro or diamond coil in a dripper, mech mod with copper contacts in order to experience good flavor and plumes of vapor. Everything alse is beginner's and kiddie stuff. Lemme show you how the pros do it. Your post simply triggered my more general point, since again you made claims that self-coiled drippers or tanks are so superior to the commercial heads (even when rebuilt). In your reply you again perpetuate the myth that if I don't experience the superior flavor with self-made coils, then I'm are not doing it right. You know, I'm really happy for anyone who likes their hobby and think their coils are God's gift to humanity. I actually fell for it. But I am telling all those who simply want to enjoy vaping without spending inordinate amounts of time and money on this hobby that they aren't missing much. The current commercial heads are just as good as the one's rolled by the so-called experts and there is absolutely no reason to grow an inferiority complex. I've done both and I can assure you that the current crop of commercial coil heads are just fine. Stop listening to the folks who want to impress you with their coils and setups. Enjoy the vaping gear you have just as much as the pros like to brag about theirs.

Been at this for 3 years now. I've got .5Ω drippers on a mech, 1.8Ω Nauts on a Provari, 1Ω R91's on a mech, 1.5Ω KFL on a Provari and 2.1Ω Aspires on the Stick to name a few setups and yep, I can get a satisfied vape from each of them.

 

[OldLadyO]

Mine from VapeNW on Ebay, did not have the adapter

I got 4 from Vapenw on ebay and all have the adapter
and three were ordered at different times

 

[whodat2112]

Yeah... Whatever works. And 200- and 400-watt mods (yes, I've seen a 400W model, it's called a competition mod ) are really not going to make things any better, either.

Yup, I have an RTA with adjustable airflow, and in another thread I posted that it was very "airy", and that I kept the airflow closed all the way, and I enjoyed it that way. I was basically laughed at and called a ....., being told that I needed to open the airflow so I could enjoy the RTA more.

Everyone has their own likes and dislikes, and whatever works for you, is what is best for you.