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KelogGes

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There are different kinds of silica.

One kind is OK for vaping--and it's been discussed on this forum for quite some time, long before Aspire introduced their fiberglass/ceramic wicking material. ;) Amorphous silica, commonly used in wicks by all (or most) e-cig manufacturers, has been deemed safe by our resident chemists and is even approved by FDA for use in food and medicine.

The other kind, the crystalline silica, or fiberglass, also often referred to as ceramic, originally used by Aspire in their BVC coils, is the kind of silica that has caused the controversy.

Please read this post by tenshi, and this one by Boden, and [URL="http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-vaping/377764-dangers-silica-wicks-5.html#post9181477"]this one by Kurt, [/URL]our resident chemist and a person I trust completely in all matters related to chemistry.

More on the subject:

http://srs.unm.edu/industrial-hygiene/media/docs/silica.pdf

"Amorphous Silica: Multiple studies have found amorphous silica to be biologically inert when
ingested and inhaled, with the exception of extruded fiberglass and ceramic fibers (which have been
designated as carcinogens by the National Toxicology Program), which are hazardous due to their
very small size and their high length to width aspect ratio. Because of this inertness, the US Food
and Drug Administration permits the use of amorphous silica (not fiberglass or ceramic fibers!) in food
and medicine.
"

Just for the record.

Katya I tend to agree with you ! And What You posted

However I have never seen or read (not Yet anyway)

Aspire say or publish anything anywhere about using fiberglass or anything known to be harmful with their ceramic's in their coils, and I did read all the study's they posted!

But did read everywhere possible; everything they have publicly published related to Aspires Ceramic coils

Katya Have you ?
 
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When am I gonna learn to listen to you Bike? :lol: Actually that was some enlightening and interesting information. However I have transitioned completely to rayon even though I have a large amount of Rodeasian organic cotton that was loving farmed by virgin nymphs going stale. ;)

Is that cotton gathered from Rodesian Ridgebacks?
Rhodesian_ridgeback.jpg

Those things can take down Baboons on their own, so I'd like to know who's got the stuff to gather the cotton. :D
 

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I tend to agree with you !

However I have never seen or read (not Yet anyway)

Aspire say or publish anything about using fiberglass or anything known to be harmful with their ceramic's in their coils

Have you Katya?

Nope. And I've written to them myself several times and asked for explanation. But the lab report they posted on their site clearly states "fiberglass paper," so, unless something is really lost in translation, we're dealing with fiberglass paper. Whatever that may be.
 

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Is that cotton gathered from Rodesian Ridgebacks?
Rhodesian_ridgeback.jpg

Those things can take down Baboons on their own, so I'd like to know who's got the stuff to gather the cotton. :D

Not gathered but they do pull the sleds while the nymphs lovingly cradle the cotton pods back to the oasis for packaging. ;)
 

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Eleaf is a factory AND a Manufacturer, NOT A LOW LEVEL SHOP; they have world wide dealers and world wide Stocking Wholesale Warehouse Distributors to protect

For their Factory store their prices are fair
In fact Eleaf has very fair prices for anything they sell anyway they sell it
I think they are very competitive compared to others

Think about the low price you can buy an iStick in any wattage or i.e a GS Air for
They could charge much more money then they do

So you're saying paying ten bucks more for the same product their distributors sell the same item for, is fair?

You lost me there, but I've been lost before....:)

Especially for a product which sells for such a low price point to begin with.

I'd have to say its a bit odd....:pop:
 

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We never got a definitive answer from Aspire... :D

But they switched to cotton in the end. ;)

Thanks Katya,

That's what I thought too.but did not know if you had new information

I think that Aspire decided to just change to cotton to stop any problems from erroneous speculation and conspiracy-theories speculators

its a shame ceramic is a wonderful and safe material even in a ceramic fiber
 

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So you're saying paying ten bucks more for the same product their distributors sell the same item for, is fair?

You lost me there, but I've been lost before....:)

Especially for a product which sells for such a low price point to begin with.

I'd have to say its a bit odd....:pop:

Buy what you like where you can find the best price

Never Expect This To Be ON the Manufacture's direct to the public store!

it's simple and most always true
 
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Manufacturers, if selling direct, will typically sell at their full MSRP or above their distributor's price and often limit their distributor's minimum advertised price. But in the case of Kataya's purchase, the discrepancy of $23 on the $44.95 Lemo Drop is unusual. That's more than a 50% discount. I think the purpose is to make the distributor prices look like a deal to increase sales.:2c:
 
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Bikenstein you had a very interesting idea or group of ideas the other day; related to the subject of direct-injecting e-liquid into the atomizer to produce vapor, by-passing the tank or not using one I think it was?

I know or think your background is boilermaker/boilermaking related to energy power-plants generation?

I am a marine engineer and have only thought about this concept or subject a little bit not in-depth when you brought it up

You would think that there must be a much better way to make vapers than is currently being done today by manufactures of vape gear, because its rather archaic compared to current technology being used today in other fields

I was pretty busy over the time/during the time you brought this forward but got a chance to read what you wrote briefly and forgot what pages here it was on?

However if you would like to discuss this and your ideas further I would be interested ! I did not notice anyone else reply to you about what you posted and had hoped someone would because it was very interesting concept you brought up and I could tell you had given it quite a bit of thought.
 
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@ KeloGes....Other than the power plants, my background includes a somewhat wide variety including motorcycle mechanics/custom builds, Industrial and Residential electrical and electronics, vibration analysis and balancing, Crane and heavy equipment operator, Welding and Fabrication Instructor, Land Surveying, Framing and finishing carpentry, Cabinet making, Machine shop supervision, Maintenance Millwright Supervision, Shipyard Supervision, Design, manufacture, and sales of Commercial and Residential Exercise equipment, Powder coating, and juice delivery man on the southside of Chicago :laugh: There are other things too like landscaping and land clearing, kitchen and bathroom renovations, concrete, stone, tile, waterfall ponds, decks etc. But actually the thing about the super atty's was more of a joke than anything because of the present rush to get the biggest clouds. I was somewhat serious about the juice delivery and vaporization system though because I do think there will be changes that will make the wire coil system obsolete, like the old point coil ignition and carburetors have been replaced by cdi and fuel injection. Then again look how long the internal combustion engine design was built in basically the same fashion for many decades, improved upon yes but it's still basically the same concept. I may just think too much :laugh:
 
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Buy what you like where you can find the best price

Never Expect This To Be ON the Manufacture's direct to the public store!

it's simple and most always true

Must be a chinese business model I'm not familiar with, you won't find Starbucks selling coffee for ten bucks more a pound on their business website than what they sell the products in their stores, or franchisee owned stores.
 

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There are different kinds of silica.
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Nope. And I've written to them myself several times and asked for explanation. But the lab report they posted on their site clearly states "fiberglass paper," so, unless something is really lost in translation, we're dealing with fiberglass paper. Whatever that may be.

While the 'ceramic' material is nothing I choose to vape, (why my K1 has sat on the back shelf for so long!)
the lab report - that was pulled down pretty quickly to probably avoid giving ammunition to the 'health freaks',
it did appear that the 'cerarmic material' was lost in translation to 'fiberglass paper'.
Whatever the case, under magnification, you can see how the micron-sized sharp 'glass' particles could be of concern:

2gsr2av.jpg


Glad they are changing back to cotton, but I may just leave Aspire behind....
 
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While the 'ceramic' material is nothing I choose to vape, (why my K1 has sat on the back shelf for so long!)
the lab report - that was pulled down pretty quickly to probably avoid giving ammunition to the 'health freaks',
it did appear that the 'cerarmic material' was lost in translation to 'fiberglass paper'.
Whatever the case, under magnification, you can see how the micron-sized sharp 'glass' particles could be of concern:

2gsr2av.jpg


Glad they are changing back to cotton, but I may just leave Aspire behind....


capthook do you have a link to this fiberglass paper and ceramic report for the aspire nautilus???
?
 
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