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Javamon, like others have said, don't worry about the numbers, just adjust to taste.
the 2.4 ohm coil won't be able to push the stick to 20w.
But 1.5 ohm coil will go to 20w.
4.25 with 2.4 ohm would be way to weak for me.
I use 1.5 ohm bvc coil and run that thing between 4.8-5.2 volts on istick.
 

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I'm getting the Cloupour also next friday payday SS.
There's no way it can be shoddier then the istick .
My istick had pin connect problems....then firing button was stuck (had to send in for repairs).
Then usb port connection got jammmed up into the housing....(threw in garbage).
All within 4 month period.

I did get another one, only because the cloupour isnt yet available.
But i'll have that next week.

Yes, who needs 50W with huge lung hits. No flavor that way, just people staring wide eyed at someone sucking on a fat tank
and exhaling thunderous cumulus nimbus size clouds.
But to each his own

My iStick has had such strange power regulation issues that I've soured on them. I realize that mine is probably just one of those occasional duds, but I doubt I'll be buying the 30w or 50w unless the reviews come back stellar and confirm that all issues with the 20w have been addressed.
 

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Wow 30 & 50W versions? I know I'm not the end all be all vaper but I rarely ever go above 10W. Haha am I doing something wrong? :p

I'm a newb, and I don't understand, either. If one looks at a safe vaping power chart, with a large range of resistances and voltages, 10W doesn't even appear.
The range is 4W to 8W. What am I missing?
 

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Wow 30 & 50W versions? I know I'm not the end all be all vaper but I rarely ever go above 10W. Haha am I doing something wrong? :p

On my iSticks, I barely get over 8 watts ;) On my IPV Mini, I can crank it up to around 20 watts, but usually end up dialing it down. As far as the iStick 50W -- I'm just thinking about the battery life, especially with winter here. Don't want to be caught out in a blizzard without a battery, and 4400 mah should last a few days, especially if running @ 20 watts or less.
 

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I'm a newb, and I don't understand, either. If one looks at a safe vaping power chart, with a large range of resistances and voltages, 10W doesn't even appear.
The range is 4W to 8W. What am I missing?

Before watts, people only used volts as power output.
I keep my istick on voltage mode, becuase i'm used to volts and know what numbers i like.
Again, just click up and down buttons and vape at your preferred taste.
Were all vaping, were not calculating moon trajectories here.....hehe.
 

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Put a 1.6 ohm coil (or lower) on a istick and try to set it at the lowest advertised settings. It wont or at least mine wont. I have to go upto a 1.8ohm before it will.

It will only go as low as 3 volts, the lowest watt setting available changes with the resistance. The lowest watt settings will show up with higher resistance coils. Same at the high end, the max 20 watts is only available with lower resistance coils, since it doesn't output more than 5.5 volts. They should really call it a 3 to 5.5 volt device.
 

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I'm a newb, and I don't understand, either. If one looks at a safe vaping power chart, with a large range of resistances and voltages, 10W doesn't even appear.
The range is 4W to 8W. What am I missing?
Yes, I used to use the safe vaping charts also, but a lot of the newer heads can handle higher wattage/voltage (like double coiled heads), so I agree with going with whatever tastes right for you. Looking at the numbers just get's you to your right spot once you have an idea what it is. I only vape at around 5.8 or 5.9 watts (usually depending on the juice) on my Nautilus' With the iStick. Some people can go a lot higher. This is my sweet (safe) spot. On my other mods, I usually look at the Voltage. In no time, you'll get comfortable with what you need to do. Those charts you're talking about definitely worked pretty good with single coiled heads like evods, etc... but you can still use them for a starting point. My 2 :2c:
 

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I'm a newb, and I don't understand, either. If one looks at a safe vaping power chart, with a large range of resistances and voltages, 10W doesn't even appear.
The range is 4W to 8W. What am I missing?

Those charts were made at a time when most people used CE4s and ego batteries. Equipment has improved quite a bit in the last couple of years and old limits have have been blown past with better wicking and airflow devices.
 

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I feel like the mod builders don't care about anything except pumping up the power !! I still use protank 2 and don't wish to change that. The coils are so easy to rebuild and very cheep to do. I'm happy with 20 W and only vape at low. In stead of fixing the problems with the Istick , Eleaf pumps out higher wattage. I don't want big clouds of smoke. That attitude will get ecigs banned in public. Is that what we want ? If Eleaf does read this than why come out with the same junk pins on the new mini ? I have a Cloupor Mini on order hoping it will be better than the Istick. It is 30 W which I would love to have only 20 W but it is what it is ? What's next ? A plug so you vape with 120 house currant ??

Would I like to see the 20W iStick re-tuned and retrofitted with the new 510? You betcha... I agree with you, SS stingray. With the only caveat being that the 30W iStick might be the best of the iSticks. Here's why... (WARNING: Lengthy, somewhat techie post)

Eleaf apparently fixed the 510 issues with both SS threads and a spring-loaded pin. The 20watter would have to be enlarged slightly as well to accommodate a solid, adjustable 510.

While the 20watter fires 20W within a limited resistance range (approximately 1-1.5Ω), it is essentially a 15 - 18W device, albeit with incredible battery life. The 30watter will, presumably, fire 20+W from .5 - 3+Ω. Assuming a re-tune to RMS, the 30watter should allow splendid vaping from 2 - 8V, across multiple attys and resistances. The 20watter was never speced to fire below 3V. Have a 1.6Ω coil in your Nautilus/Mini, stock or rebuilt Kanger heads or RTAs? You'll be able to vape it from 5 - 30W, even if Eleaf hasn't raised the max current draw (amps).

Because of the 20watter's mis-tuning, I had to hone my Kanger and RTA builds in the 1.6 - 2.0Ω range. All my tank-type attys vape incredibly well now because the 20W iStick FORCED me to pay more attention to and experiment with my builds. And now I'll be able to keep them at 1.6Ω, which will be much easier to build than the 2.0 - 2.5Ω range low wattage vapers have been forced to build. My 28g builds, in both Kanger heads and RTAs, last me 60+ml of e-liquid before re-wicking. (I really don't know because I've re-wicked long before I've had to.) Some of my coils have more than 100ml through them and still run strong. Additionally, it's very easy to build and install a 28g, 1.6Ω coil in practically any atty.

The 20watter has taught me to maximize battery life, increase flavor and vapor and extend the life of my coils by learning to create more efficient builds. We don't need 50W to chase clouds, if we learn how to build. 10 - 18W is perfect for my tank-type attys and they can chuck some clouds, should I so desire. I am a better builder now and better understand things like heat transference (thermal dynamics) and juice feed, flow and wicking (hydro dynamics) because of the flawed 20W iStick.

The only down-side that I can see is, to reach 8V, Eleaf will have had to raise the peak voltage in the PWM cycle to at least 8V (rather than 5.8/4.8V). This will, no doubt, effect the chipset's efficiency and noticeably lower battery life. I can't see a way around it, unless they've programmed multiple peak voltages across various settings to maximize efficiency. (Say, 4.8Vpk up to a 4.8V setting, 5.8Vpk to a 5.8v setting and 8V for everything above.) It wouldn't be that difficult and would be genius in the current world of vaping technology. To my knowledge, nobody has done this. Though it seems OBVIOUS and EASY to implement. It is also not out of the question. Remember that Eleaf programmed two different peak voltages in the 20watter.

The 30W iStick should be able to fire practically all tank-type attys beautifully. It should truly be a plug-and-vape device that experienced and advanced vapers can also embrace. (The Atlantis will be a rough one as it doesn't start to sing until 30W or so. I don't like running my mods, especially inexpensive ones, at max capacity for long periods of time.) Drippers who learned how to build their RDAs for the DNA 20/30 will be very happy with the 30W iStick. The 30watter will also have the benefit of being much more efficient than the DNA 20/30 type chipsets and at least equal, if not outlast, the 2500mAh driven DNAs with it's 2200mAh LiPo. We'll be able to top the 30watter with practically any atty and get a solid experience. The sub-$40, 30W iStick could be THE mod for all but fringe vapers and those who demand temperature protection. For temperature protection, wait for Evolv's new 25W chipset and expect to pay at least $100.

As interesting as the Cloupor Mini is, it is still a DNA 30 type device. It will be comparatively inefficient and won't fire below native battery voltage.

If only Eleaf would better their workmanship, quality control and customer service, we'd all be winners. Of course, the 30W iStick would cost us $60+ then...

Hope everyone had a GREAT weekend!
 
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Those charts were made at a time when most people used CE4s and ego batteries. Equipment has improved quite a bit in the last couple of years and old limits have have been blown past with better wicking and airflow devices.

Thanks to everyone for the responses. I'm the kind of person that will want to push it a bit if I am perceiving better flavor, but - not a whole lot.
I'm also simultaneously concerned about doing something stupid that is less healthy, and I don't trust myself to "taste" the danger.

I don't see myself graduating to advanced tanks and coils anytime soon, if ever, so I guess I will use the existing charts - and then maybe push it just a bit beyond.
I happen to really enjoy the simplicity and results from my EVOD tanks, and my next step from there will simply be to glass Kanger Pro Tank Mini 2s.

I'm convinced that this stick won't be a bomb in my hand, though, so thanks folks for helping me find my first inexpensive mod.
I was going to go the tube route, but, I don't see why I should do that for my next step.
 

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Thanks to everyone for the responses. I'm the kind of person that will want to push it a bit if I am perceiving better flavor, but - not a whole lot.
I'm also simultaneously concerned about doing something stupid that is less healthy, and I don't trust myself to "taste" the danger.

I don't see myself graduating to advanced tanks and coils anytime soon, if ever, so I guess I will use the existing charts - and then maybe push it just a bit beyond.
I happen to really enjoy the simplicity and results from my EVOD tanks, and my next step from there will simply be to glass Kanger Pro Tank Mini 2s.

I'm convinced that this stick won't be a bomb in my hand, though, so thanks folks for helping me find my first inexpensive mod.
I was going to go the tube route, but, I don't see why I should do that for my next step.
Try a Glass Evod Java (it's a dual coil in a glass tank). It tastes phenomenal on the iStick! Just thought I'd throw that thought in there. :toast:
 

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I like the fact that the 30w, has practically the same dimensions as the 20w. I personally haven't had issues with the threading.
So if the 30w fixes the power management issues, and 510 issues, in the same form factor, while allowing me to sub ohm if i want in the future, them im in!
My only "doh!" is i just got a new ipv mini yesterday! :facepalm:
 
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