Electronic Cigarette = Napster

[ProtoType]

Anyone besides me here get a feeling of nostalgia? Remember when Napster broke the mold and made all the big record companies sue? Slowly, but surely, other software came along and then record companies caved in and so was born .....

iTUNES


I know the same thing will happen with the electronic. It's just funny how these people are so slow to adapt and want to fight for the same old ways. History is a subject that some people really NEED to major in ......

 

[Elendil]

The difference lies in the fact that Napster = stealing.

How does ecig = stealing??

I think your analogy is flawed.

 

[STILLSMOK9]

The difference lies in the fact that Napster = stealing.

How does ecig = stealing??

I think your analogy is flawed.

I agree to an extent with you elendil

 

[UptownRiot]

The difference lies in the fact that Napster = stealing.

How does ecig = stealing??

I think your analogy is flawed.

I think you're being narrowminded in your evaluation of the analogy. Sure there are some differences, but you can obviously see the parallels.

 

[GrimmGreen]

well technically Napster was "SHARING"

but no , i don't really see any parallels between the two sorry

 

[T-BAYJ]

First saying that napster= stealing is arguable , as nothing was physically stolen only copies made (anyone ever own a dual cassette boombox with high-speed dubbing?) what was that made for ?

while record companies did loose revenue , they did not loose a physical product I.E. > they lost money from potential sales , but not from a manufactured product

very debatable , pick a side

I kind of see what the O.P. is getting at , I think

another example is when I downloaded movies encoded in divx3.1 , movie companies fought , and still do ...now we have streaming movies in a variety of ways to obtain them legally

basically u cant fight technology , you will loose ...except it and embrace it , then profit from it

the same could be true for e-cigs ..once commercialized & possibly regulated ...we may get a more reliable product , and cleaner juice
price however may come down or go up , esp after figuring taxing

 

[UptownRiot]

basically u cant fight technology , you will loose ...except it and embrace it , then profit from it

That's the point I'm getting at, and the point the OP was trying to make I believe.

These tired old companies that have been making millions and/or billions for years and years continually choose to fight innovation and technological advances rather than embrace them early on and benefit both themselves and the consumers.

 

[ProtoType]

My analogy is not flawed. You are just being way too technical about it. Try being more flexible. I'll break it down.

I'm not discussing schematics about piracy and legal issues.

I'm showing the correlation of new technology introduced into a market where big companies had made their millions and billions already and something new came along to steal their bread and butter--and they really cannot fight it. They tried to make mp3 illegal. That was the root of all evil. It was a format for good quality music to be shared easily (as opposed to the bulkier wav format that was previously available). They failed. Now there are more formats available and is used for other types of media. The music and sound revolution... evolution.

They will try to make the electronic illegal. They will fail (we hope). The smoker's revolution.... evolution.

I wasn't trying to get into the schematics of piracy and etc. Just a simple, flexible analogy of introducing new technology into an old world order..

And the iTunes equivalent here would be either a monthly plan with Marlboro where you use their device and for X amount of dollars per month you get their device and supply OR you buy carts at local stores. Plenty of noobs out there for them to take advantage of. Most won't do the research to know they can refill with juice. AND they would make MORE money by doing this.

Record companies make money from iTunes and CDs. People have not stopped buying CDs. People won't stop smoking analogs. But they can bank from both because both will not go away. Just like mp3's and CD's. Is any of this starting to make any sense now?

I swear I know some people out there can understand.

 

[Tyson]

I have to agree that your analogy is flawed. I understand the point that you are trying to make but your analogy doesn't even begin to make that point. If you have to think about an analogy in a convoluted way to make it work, it isn't an analogy.

Also, just trying to be helpful so don't take it too personally, but I think the word you were looking for is semantics, not schematics. Semantics deals with the meaning of words whereas a schematic is a drawing or illustration. That being said, semantics isn't really the right word as the exact meaning of the words you were using was never an issue. I swear I'm just trying to be helpful. I'd want to know if I was using a word incorrectly. Now flame on that the spelling police have arrive.

 

[Lazarus]

I think I get it, it's like a SAT question:

Napster is to RIAA as

E-cig is to __________

a. Big Tobacco
b. Chinese Food
c. Big Pharm
d. all of the above

 

[Cori]

I'm pretty sure I understand what ProtoType is trying to say.. when Napster was new on the scene, they tried to discourage people from sharing files, oh the horror..hence iTunes was born and everyone accepts it as the norm now and its legal..so is the Ecig.. its the new kid on the block and not accepted and looked down on, but when it doesn't go away, just like file sharing, it too will become accepted in some form. After all the FDA mess blows over, someone is going to remarket ecigs to the masses and it too will be legal. At least thats what I think he was trying to say. If not, then I'm clueless.

 

[T-BAYJ]

Off topic : mp3 was a stolen codec technology from fraunhoffer in germany

was wrong when pirates used it on napster used it but ok now that its commercialized


same would be true with the ecig , now its kind of an underground misunderstood product ...once commercialized "it must be ok"
go with the flow mentality will follow

Proto Type
please dont use Itunes in your analogy , the thought of me using a usb passthrough and it trying to sync to my pc makes me ill
actually maybe just thinking about Itunes makes me ill

 

[vconrad]

I agree with Elendil. Napster ripped off a lot of artists. But they did do something good. They brought down the price of purchasing music. $20 for a CD that only had 1 or 2 songs on it that you really wanted to listen to was a bit much. They did pioneer buying just the songs you wanted.

In that respect they are similar...we just want the nicotine not the tar, arsenic, carbon minoxide and other little goodies cig companies throw in as a bonus.

 

[JCC2K9]

I can just see it now...

Apple introduces the iCig !!!

I would PS one but I'm just too lazy today.

 

[Elendil]

First saying that napster= stealing is arguable , as nothing was physically stolen only copies made

Huh??? Ever heard of the term "copyright"?

Napster = stealing = fact.

Something physical doesn't have to be stolen for a crime to have occurred.

 

[ProtoType]

How do you not know I didn't mean schematics in a visual element concerning piracy? Ask before you want to play middle school English teacher. Thanks.

Anyhow, the iCig comment was funny! Lol.

Any analogy that needs to be explained does not mean that the analogy is bad... but only that the recipient lacks the ability to think from a different perspective other than their own.

I did not have to explain it to all the other people that posted here. Good for them. They caught on right away.

People will always have their own viewpoint. I'm content with that. What I consider to be oval in shape others will say, "No it is a circle compressed radially in."

 

[Elendil]

How do you not know I didn't mean schematics in a visual element concerning piracy? Ask before you want to play middle school English teacher. Thanks.

Anyhow, the iCig comment was funny! Lol.

Any analogy that needs to be explained does not mean that the analogy is bad... but only that the recipient lacks the ability to think from a different perspective other than their own.

I did not have to explain it to all the other people that posted here. Good for them. They caught on right away.

People will always have their own viewpoint. I'm content with that. What I consider to be oval in shape others will say, "No it is a circle compressed radially in."

Unfortunately the poll results thus far would seem to run contrary to your "analogy".

 

[solonguniverse]

Huh??? Ever heard of the term "copyright"?

Napster = stealing = fact.

Something physical doesn't have to be stolen for a crime to have occurred.

I don't consider information sharing to be anymore illegal than watching a live performance/listening to the radio and remembering the song or singing it the next day. Information should be freely reproduced and spread. There will always be a market for the music industry.

 

[T-BAYJ]

Huh??? Ever heard of the term "copyright"?

Napster = stealing = fact.

Something physical doesn't have to be stolen for a crime to have occurred.

yeah i'd have to agree with the fact of "Something physical doesnt have to exist for a crime to occur" look at the D.O.S. attacks metallica suffered from when James Hatfield took his stance on file sharing , they couldnt keep a site up for only minutes ...a perfect example of trying to fight technolagy

and the copyright laws have changed over many years in the states , at one time . One had to profit from using a copyrighted material to violate the law ..read up

 

[Subliminal]

I completely understand what the O.P. is saying, in that, what others have explained that the big companies will fight tooth n nail to rid these newer and better/safer products, technologies what have you, but sooner or later they're bound to become mainstream and they'll have to follow suit. It's what the consumers want, and the companies want your money.

The poll question however is where it makes it confusing. To which is understandable, the ecig isn't a new age napster, just the circumstances surrounding napster and mp3's is what we all hope will happen for ecigs. The FDA will finally give in and create a legal product of their own.