eLiquid Bans and such.

[wv2win]

Ok guys and gals I've tried a few times over the past several weeks, and haven't been successful at putting up the banner, what am I doing wrong?

You have the banner, just not the one that allows you to click on it. I know there is some fix for that. I would post a question in the Site Feedback and Help section and I would hope one of the techie guys/gals would help you out:

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[wv2win]

I only use 0 and 6mg and get more than enough throat hit, sometimes still too much, so I don't think it's the nic that gives the throat hit. Could be wrong, I'm only a month into this.

We've been doing this for a while and vaping is a little confusing at first. The vast majority of throat hit comes from nicotine. You are just one of those vapers who really doesn't like or need TH. The average nic level used is 16mg - 24mg. And outside of the first few weeks, the main reason it stays at that average is due to the desire for throat hit.

 

[gully]

You know I agree with you completely, DC. But just a few months ago I had a long "battle" with zoiDman on this topic as he didn't seem to see the benefit of CASAA or expanding their membership. I've run across a few others (thankfully not too many) who feel the same way. It's just mind boggling to me.

The ANTZ will just say that CASAA has no legitamacy because they just represent a vocal minority with some mythical agenda.And people will buy it.

I learnt as a young fella that if you do not clearly declare what side you are on others will take your silence to mean you agree with them.

 

[wv2win]

Do you really think everyone having the same banner would do anything? It would become spam that was automatically ignored.

For me the counter is more important. No counter, no keeping track of expenses. No keeping track, I either spend to much or imagine I do and I quit. If I quit vaping I no longer care about the attacks on vaping (well, I'd care but not enough to pay attention until it's too late).

I also think counters can serve to keep others vaping. More people vaping, the more available to join.

It doesn't surprise me that we don't agree and that your "logic" is...........unsupportable. If everyone on ECF had a CASAA banner, then the vast majority of new vapers would see that and at least be interested in finding out more about CASAA, which would by the very nature of statistics and psychology lead to more CASAA members. Your personal "vape counter" is nothing more to "others" than a "hey, look at me and how good I am" banner. It does nothing to get people interested in learning about and hopefully joining CASAA. Why do you think they show the same product advertisement over and over again.

 

[wv2win]

So how do we put a banner up.....?

Go to the CASAA web sit and their is a section where you can download the banner.

 

[The Tbone80]

I am liking this thread a lot. Still pretty new here on ECF and pretty new to vaping, but I really enjoy it and it has helped me to all but quit a 19 year 1 PAD smoking habit ( i still have the occasional analog, but they taste like crap to me now). I just joined CASAA, and changed my banner. Thanks vets and all posters on this thread for showing me the way. I would sure hate to lose the right to vape now that I have found such enjoyment in it. ( found out too little too late that my state just imposed a LARGE tax on ecigs and related products)

 

[The Tbone80]

Go to the CASAA web sit and their is a section where you can download the banner.

all your really have to do is right click on someone else's banner, copy the image, go to your "settings" here on ECF, go to "edit signature" paste it, save it, your done

 

[wv2win]

I am liking this thread a lot. Still pretty new here on ECF and pretty new to vaping, but I really enjoy it and it has helped me to all but quit a 19 year 1 PAD smoking habit ( i still have the occasional analog, but they taste like crap to me now). I just joined CASAA, and changed my banner. Thanks vets and all posters on this thread for showing me the way. I would sure hate to lose the right to vape now that I have found such enjoyment in it. ( found out too little too late that my state just imposed a LARGE tax on ecigs and related products)

That's great that you joined CASAA. And thanks for adding the CASAA banner to your posts. If at some point you can help support CASAA financially, even in a small way, that would be a big help also, as it is an all volunteer organization.

 

[The Tbone80]

That's great that you joined CASAA. And thanks for adding the CASAA banner to your posts. If at some point you can help support CASAA financially, even in a small way, that would be a big help also, as it is an all volunteer organization.

I will make sure to donate to CASAA and also here on ECF ( if I can just stop ordering new mods for a minute)

 

[vape-addict]

I thought about stockpiling but how much would be enough?..2yrs?? 4or 5 yr supply you would run out sooner or later then what? but considering our history they tried that with alcohol look how that worked out..I would think there would be a black market to get nic they will never ban tobacco

 

[Maggiemw]

My reasoning is they can't ban zero nic ejuices, so I can still get all my favs and I have nic frozen so I can add my own if need be LOL That was the easiest for me and I don't have to have juices stock piled because I am going thru my stash and I have a bunch already out of date, ugh! bnrk

Sorry to be late on this, but yes, "they" can ban nicotine e-liquids. My country has. A couple of months ago, apparently. I didn't even know about the ban, because I wasn't vaping yet, but now I do. You cannot buy nicotine liquid openly here.

I walked past the places I bought my first generic egos and didn't see them on display any more. This tells me that if you can't see them, you may never even know they exist, and if you don't know they exist, well, you'll never know about vaping. The ban will effectively reduce knowledge about vaping to zero among new potential users.

Zero awareness = zero use.

So I would say to take the threats very, very, very seriously.

 

[serendipitee]

Right at the top of every page it says this in yellow:

California - Pico Rivera - URGENT
The city of Pico Rivera is planning to treat e-cigarettes as drug paraphernalia.

I don't know anything about drugs so... could ecigs even be used to vape, "smoke", inhale drugs? Real drugs? Would that even be possible? If not, how do we combat that perception?

 

[EddardinWinter]

Right at the top of every page it says this in yellow:

California - Pico Rivera - URGENT
The city of Pico Rivera is planning to treat e-cigarettes as drug paraphernalia.

I don't know anything about drugs so... could ecigs even be used to vape, "smoke", inhale drugs? Real drugs? Would that even be possible? If not, how do we combat that perception?

Ironic, that e-cigs are illegal for that reason, in that state, when you consider what IS legal...

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[Myk]

It doesn't surprise me that we don't agree and that your "logic" is...........unsupportable. If everyone on ECF had a CASAA banner, then the vast majority of new vapers would see that and at least be interested in finding out more about CASAA, which would by the very nature of statistics and psychology lead to more CASAA members. Your personal "vape counter" is nothing more to "others" than a "hey, look at me and how good I am" banner. It does nothing to get people interested in learning about and hopefully joining CASAA. Why do you think they show the same product advertisement over and over again.

At the top of every page is an alert that tends to mention CASAA. I would bet that a small minority of threads go without a CASAA banner.
If the vast majority of new vapers aren't learning about CASAA it's because they don't want to. And no matter how much you brow beat them you're not going to change their minds. I would even guess that for every one you manage to brow beat into submission 2 will never join because of you.
If you were correct CASAA would have at least 100,000 members.

My logic is unsupportable???????
It's you claiming how I think that is unsupportable. Haven't you also tried to dictate what wattage I like? Even if you were psychic you can't get passed my tinfoil barrier. Give it up.

Of course my banner has nothing to do with getting people to join CASAA. I never said it did. It does however negate the claims that vaping is more expensive since I have an expenses line (which also links to CASAA, BTW). It does give people feeling weak and thinking about giving up some incentive. If there aren't any vapers there won't be anyone to join CASAA.
I keep them vaping, you brow beat them to get them to join CASAA. Like it or not we're a team.

Are you telling me that you have never been turned off by constant bombardment of advertising and it works on you? No wonder you think you can harass people into doing what you want.

Your personal view on what my vape counter means is nothing more than your personal view. You really need to work on that egocentric view of the universe.

 

[Myk]

Sorry to be late on this, but yes, "they" can ban nicotine e-liquids. My country has. A couple of months ago, apparently. I didn't even know about the ban, because I wasn't vaping yet, but now I do. You cannot buy nicotine liquid openly here.

I walked past the places I bought my first generic egos and didn't see them on display any more. This tells me that if you can't see them, you may never even know they exist, and if you don't know they exist, well, you'll never know about vaping. The ban will effectively reduce knowledge about vaping to zero among new potential users.

Zero awareness = zero use.

So I would say to take the threats very, very, very seriously.

He said they can't ban 0mg liquid, and they can't. You can make it out of readily available ingredients.

 

[gully]

Right at the top of every page it says this in yellow:

California - Pico Rivera - URGENT
The city of Pico Rivera is planning to treat e-cigarettes as drug paraphernalia.

I don't know anything about drugs so... could ecigs even be used to vape, "smoke", inhale drugs? Real drugs? Would that even be possible? If not, how do we combat that perception?

A certain type of processed unmentionable can(only just) be used in ecig hardware unfortunately.

A very small crossover of hardware but one that can be used against vaping.

 

[Maggiemw]

Sorry to be late on this, but yes, "they" can ban nicotine e-liquids. My country has. A couple of months ago, apparently. I didn't even know about the ban, because I wasn't vaping yet, but now I do. You cannot buy nicotine liquid openly here.

I walked past the places I bought my first generic egos and didn't see them on display any more. This tells me that if you can't see them, you may never even know they exist, and if you don't know they exist, well, you'll never know about vaping. The ban will effectively reduce knowledge about vaping to zero among new potential users.

Zero awareness = zero use.

So I would say to take the threats very, very, very seriously.

I need to add a bit about social engineering and how it works. We've all seen it at work in the demonizing of cigarette smokers. In what relates to vaping and e-cigs, I am beginning to see its little head rearing up here. Watch out or it will be coming to your place soon.

When I was looking for nicotine liquid, not yet realizing it was banned here, I went into a number of cigarette, cigar and shisha tobacco shops. With 2 exceptions, the owners looked scandalized and told me nicotine liquid was "dangerous". The first reaction of several intelligent people I know has been "but that's dangerous!" They ALL cited the same newspaper report that a baby here had swallowed nicotine liquid and had died as a result. None of them knew anything else about e-cigs or nicotine liquid.

I don't disbelieve that there was such an accident here, although I must say that I have NOT seen this report directly. But I must say that it was very, very effective in reinforcing perceptions of the Health Ministry's ban as justified.

It takes very little for each of us to form an opinion on any given subject. Often, that opinion becomes set in stone as fact, and even if it is challenged by counter-facts, it will remain.

So, get the information out there while people still have unformed opinions.

 

[stevegmu]

Actually, they are considering a 45 day moratorium on issuance of new zoning and occupancy permits to shops that sell 'paraphernalia.' Nothing more. The staff has 45 days to determine what is and what is not paraphernalia. The ordinance can be extended after the 45 day period, after a public hearing.
After reading through the California Health and Safety Code concerning paraphernalia, e-cigarettes, or even mods don't meet the requirements to be considered paraphernalia.
Head shops who also sell e-cig supplies don't do vapors any favors.

 

[Maggiemw]

He said they can't ban 0mg liquid, and they can't. You can make it out of readily available ingredients.

True. My bad. O mg liquid is the only kind openly on sale here and the kind that is sold is vile. Absolutely, indescribably vile. Note that I'm not saying that ALL O mg is vile... 'cause eventually I'd like to get to that stage... just that the kind that is SOLD here is vile...

 

[mad maori]

wow- pico riveria "sucks" thats such b.s. and way over the top- do they ban mc donalds cause it makes people fat and die from being over weight? remind me never to go anywhere near that place!!!!

Don't be so certain of that. In Massachusetts, they are lumping 0-nic liquids in with nicotine liquids for a 45% tax and in Pico Rivera, CA, they are trying to ban all e-cigarette sales, regardless of nicotine content.