I am just researching all of this e-smoking stuff because it looks good to me, but I have one big concern--whether or not the e-liquids contain diacetyl. This is the butter-flavor chemical that causes 'popcorn-worker's lung', a devastating lung disease for which there is no cure. I can't post links because this is my first post, but you can google it. (Also check the Wiki entry). I don't know if this is a real matter for concern or not.
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I am just researching all of this e-smoking stuff because it looks good to me, but I have one big concern--whether or not the e-liquids contain diacetyl. This is the butter-flavor chemical that causes 'popcorn-worker's lung', a devastating lung disease for which there is no cure. I can't post links because this is my first post, but you can google it. (Also check the Wiki entry). I don't know if this is a real matter for concern or not.
Hi Vslim, welcome to the forum.
Diacetyl is a real concern and has been shown to cause lung disease when inhaled. It proves that even if something is approved food safe (GRAS) it isn't automatically ok to inhale.
This is all I know about this - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oking/2666-inhaling-flavouring-chemicals.html
Diacetyl is a real concern and has been shown to cause lung disease when inhaled. It proves that even if something is approved food safe (GRAS) it isn't automatically ok to inhale.
This is all I know about this - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oking/2666-inhaling-flavouring-chemicals.html
Sure we are interested, but my advice is use Propilenglicol better than Glicerol,, or even better a mix of both 75% Propi and 25% Glic
There's a nice read at Wikipedia about e-cigs. Can't post a url yet, sorry.
It's under electronic cigarette.
It's under electronic cigarette.
Zuice, a few thoughts for ya concerning the extraction.
I think you are on the right track using alcohol instead of PG for the extraction. I have done the same and it works great for flavor. Water @<200 degrees for an hour or so followed by a 48 hour soak also works well.
One bit of advice concerning the nicotine. Try to get an estimate of the nicotine content of the tobacco you are using (you may be able to get it from the manufacturer... maybe.) Assume for safety sake that you will extract every last mg from your 3 packs. Divide the total by the amount of liquid you have left after your reduction in ml.
This will be an unrealistic number (you'll never get all the nic, and some if not all will go away when you reduce); However, it will give you a best (worst?) case scenario. For example, if your numbers come out to something like 300mg nic per ml, you might think twice before you proceed.
Oh, yeah. Filtering will be much less of an issue if you use some sort of "teabag" method when you soak and if you give your solution a good 48 hr rest after reduction.
Let us know how you make out!
I think you are on the right track using alcohol instead of PG for the extraction. I have done the same and it works great for flavor. Water @<200 degrees for an hour or so followed by a 48 hour soak also works well.
One bit of advice concerning the nicotine. Try to get an estimate of the nicotine content of the tobacco you are using (you may be able to get it from the manufacturer... maybe.) Assume for safety sake that you will extract every last mg from your 3 packs. Divide the total by the amount of liquid you have left after your reduction in ml.
This will be an unrealistic number (you'll never get all the nic, and some if not all will go away when you reduce); However, it will give you a best (worst?) case scenario. For example, if your numbers come out to something like 300mg nic per ml, you might think twice before you proceed.
Oh, yeah. Filtering will be much less of an issue if you use some sort of "teabag" method when you soak and if you give your solution a good 48 hr rest after reduction.
Let us know how you make out!
Guys and girls, I`ve made a great mix today! It`s not 100% DIY cause I used Janty`s heavy shag as a base, but i think chocolate lovers should know for it:
10 drops Janty`s Heavy Shag
1 drop Lorann English Toffee
1 drop Lorann Chocolate
Very tasty! Not overpowering, but more than just a subtle taste. Lorann stuff is really great. I bought 24 different flavours, got 1 liter of both PG and VG and just started the madness. Wish me luck
10 drops Janty`s Heavy Shag
1 drop Lorann English Toffee
1 drop Lorann Chocolate
Very tasty! Not overpowering, but more than just a subtle taste. Lorann stuff is really great. I bought 24 different flavours, got 1 liter of both PG and VG and just started the madness. Wish me luck
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Ok so yesterday I got my first bottle of VG from Michaels, and had totally dead carts from the starter kit,was going nuts wanting to vape...
I couldn't find anything around to simulate menthol, which would have been the only thing I would feel was close to what I have smoked for years....
My roommate said, wait a sec, let me grab something, try this...
She brought me MOUTHWASH!!! The non alcohol kind.
So I ended up doing this...
1 Part VG
1 Part Mouthwash
Combine, Shake vigorously, drip onto atomizer a tad, and fully onto the cartridge.
FULL Vapor, nice and cool tasting, and the whole room smells like mouthwash after a while.
The real IRONY is that my breath is so fresh I can TASTE it, especially of course due to a bit of this "juice" ending up in my mouth just after a fresh drip into the cartridge.
Imagine, "smoking" something that makes your breath smell and taste GOOD for a change!
I'm not actually worried about nicotine here, either... oddly enough I don't miss it at all. Funny I wonder if we are really addicted to the chemical called nicotine, or just mentally to the act of smoking. I tend to believe the latter, because after 29 years of 3 pack a day inhaling, to not feel sick or need ANYTHING nicotine wise, I believe I am completely right about this, and encourage others to comment and try a placebo effect with the nic. Lose the juice, try something fresh, and see what happens. You can always go back if you need it, right?
I couldn't find anything around to simulate menthol, which would have been the only thing I would feel was close to what I have smoked for years....
My roommate said, wait a sec, let me grab something, try this...
She brought me MOUTHWASH!!! The non alcohol kind.
So I ended up doing this...
1 Part VG
1 Part Mouthwash
Combine, Shake vigorously, drip onto atomizer a tad, and fully onto the cartridge.
FULL Vapor, nice and cool tasting, and the whole room smells like mouthwash after a while.
The real IRONY is that my breath is so fresh I can TASTE it, especially of course due to a bit of this "juice" ending up in my mouth just after a fresh drip into the cartridge.
Imagine, "smoking" something that makes your breath smell and taste GOOD for a change!
I'm not actually worried about nicotine here, either... oddly enough I don't miss it at all. Funny I wonder if we are really addicted to the chemical called nicotine, or just mentally to the act of smoking. I tend to believe the latter, because after 29 years of 3 pack a day inhaling, to not feel sick or need ANYTHING nicotine wise, I believe I am completely right about this, and encourage others to comment and try a placebo effect with the nic. Lose the juice, try something fresh, and see what happens. You can always go back if you need it, right?
Do you know what you're inhaling into your lungs there Barb? Something to consider.
Lu
Lu
Ha, mouthwash, that's a new one.
Some people use menthol crystals with a lot of success - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/2918-menthol-crystals.html
Some people use menthol crystals with a lot of success - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/diy-e-liquid/2918-menthol-crystals.html
I enjoy reading all your posts. You really put a lot of time into this stuff. I would like to try to get rid of my nic addiction. However, I do love vaping.
I am no chemist and there is a lot to digest in this forum. I am interested in making my own e- liquid - nic free. Can you provide me with a recipe using the Lorann oils and compose it using drops or percentages?
Thanks soooo much!
Smoke free since January 5th, 2009.
Thanks Hilway, there are a lot of great people on this forum and I enjoy the company
Jaaxx has made us the Hack-O-Matic recipe calculator and that's great for messing around with quantities - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/5712-hack-o-matic-e-liquid-calculator.html
Just leave out the commercial eliquid to get rid of the nicotine and replace with more glycerine/propylene glycol.
You'll get something like this:
10% distilled water
10 - 20% LorAnn candy flavouring
40% glycerine BP/USP/food grade
40% propylene glycol BP/USP/food grade
You don't need both glycerine and pg, one or the other will do if you prefer. Amounts of flavouring will vary a lot, some are very strong and some very weak.
Jaaxx has made us the Hack-O-Matic recipe calculator and that's great for messing around with quantities - http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/tips-tricks/5712-hack-o-matic-e-liquid-calculator.html
Just leave out the commercial eliquid to get rid of the nicotine and replace with more glycerine/propylene glycol.
You'll get something like this:
10% distilled water
10 - 20% LorAnn candy flavouring
40% glycerine BP/USP/food grade
40% propylene glycol BP/USP/food grade
You don't need both glycerine and pg, one or the other will do if you prefer. Amounts of flavouring will vary a lot, some are very strong and some very weak.
In the newcomer's forum, someone asked about the availability of organic juice and it's a very interesting point. We may be deluding ourselves thinking that vaping is better for us than smoking analogues, because noone can say for sure what we are inhaling.
Totally Wicked's e-liquids at least list the ingredients, fair play to them.
I also found a list of ingredients for the Spanish-made juices from freesmoke.eu (slightly confusing but might be worth a shot for the more health-conscious):
Contents materials:
1% alcohol (however evaporated before inhale),
Propylenglycol - acetyl Pyrazine
(flavour materials of the crust of the rye bread),
artificial one and natural edible flavour materials,
ethereal oils, tobacco oil.
Love the ethereal oils, I think it means essential oils.
Does anyone know if the nicotine in commercial juices is actually extracted from tobacco or is it all synthetic? Or would that be too expensive due to low yields?
There are a few American (US and Canada) companies that grow organic tobacco, so it should be possible to brew some nice organic juice. So how about it - any enterprising people out there with the necessary know-how? I'm sure there would be a substantial market for something more natural.
Totally Wicked's e-liquids at least list the ingredients, fair play to them.
I also found a list of ingredients for the Spanish-made juices from freesmoke.eu (slightly confusing but might be worth a shot for the more health-conscious):
Contents materials:
1% alcohol (however evaporated before inhale),
Propylenglycol - acetyl Pyrazine
(flavour materials of the crust of the rye bread),
artificial one and natural edible flavour materials,
ethereal oils, tobacco oil.
Love the ethereal oils, I think it means essential oils.
Does anyone know if the nicotine in commercial juices is actually extracted from tobacco or is it all synthetic? Or would that be too expensive due to low yields?
There are a few American (US and Canada) companies that grow organic tobacco, so it should be possible to brew some nice organic juice. So how about it - any enterprising people out there with the necessary know-how? I'm sure there would be a substantial market for something more natural.
Yeah LU, actually I do... It's no worse than the disgusting toxins in analogs, no sugar either, I got a sugar free one. We inhale mouthwash all the time when we brush with some types of toothpaste anyway. Seems fine so far.
Barb--might want to take a look at these posts about the mouthwash as posted by Yvilla and others--worth a look???--Sun
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Originally Posted by Kate
... there goes the myth of no carcinogens?
1) The Acetaldehyde in mouthwash linked to cancer in the recently released study is derived from the alcohol content in mouthwash. Alcohol is not a necessary ingredient in e-cig liquid, although is present in some.
2) The referenced study is, of course, awash in dispute in any event.
Link between mouthwash and oral cancer in dispute
There are some complicated sounding ingredients in commercial eliquid Falling. I think that the ones from China sound worse because they give us the chemical names for everything and detail all the flavourings. I'm sure if we read the full list with chemical names for other brands they would seem as bad.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html
The main ingredient in eliquid is propylene glycol, I have no idea if that can be produced organically. There's not much of anything else in there although it's possible to get organic flavourings.
Nicotine could be extracted organically but I bet we're a few years away from that being a viable option.
http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ion/2202-ingredients-cartridges-e-liquid.html
The main ingredient in eliquid is propylene glycol, I have no idea if that can be produced organically. There's not much of anything else in there although it's possible to get organic flavourings.
Nicotine could be extracted organically but I bet we're a few years away from that being a viable option.
I was searching my pantry to see if I had any flavorings. I didn't have anything without sugar, but I did have a bottle by 'american spices'. I googled the company and got to americanspice.com. The price is about a dollar cheaper per ounce than Lorann. They have lots of choices and list the ingredients for each. The majority are sugar free.
How do you know it's not worse? None of us really know anything and only hope what the manufacturers are using has been tested as safe. And "so far" is pretty much irrelevant. We are really talking long term here.
I saw a newb who wanted to vape eye drops...another, ear drops. Yes, I do feel compelled to comment on unknown safety....particularly with those just starting out. But as I said to them....hey, it's your lungs...do what ya gotta do. I can only take care of mine.
Lu
Which is why I made sure it was alcohol free.
So far, so good, and I have no intention of keeping it forever... this was a quick fix. I do need something with a tad more "bite" to it anyway. Little worried about the menthol crystal thing, some people seem to have gotten sick off THAT. I plan on checking out something that would be regularly used in cough drops, vaporizers, etc... Menthol Eucalyptus, or perhaps I might make my own MentoEuc juice from straight herbs bought at my local herb shoppe, done that many times for teas...
Do you remember the one who was talking about vaping ketchup Lu .... that really makes me chuckle ...
I do remember the post, but not the poster. Yeh, he was desperate for something to vape so he started looking around his kitchen....found the ketchup. Have we ever heard from him again? LOL
Lu
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