Email Message to Public Citizen

[mwa102464]

Funny that site won’t even let you post a comment until they approve it, I just wrote a comment and I’m dying to see if it gets approved, I gave them a good piece of my mind and used no foul language what so ever, I would bet anything they don’t let my comments to show on their site. I really wish we could get to our crooked Gov’t officials, have them all followed and make there bank accounts visible to the public and see who pays them what and where all there perks come from, it should all be public knowledge and voted for

 

[Katmar]

Funny that site won’t even let you post a comment until they approve it, I just wrote a comment and I’m dying to see if it gets approved, I gave them a good piece of my mind and used no foul language what so ever, I would bet anything they don’t let my comments to show on their site. I really wish we could get to our crooked Gov’t officials, have them all followed and make there bank accounts visible to the public and see who pays them what and where all there perks come from, it should all be public knowledge and voted for

It takes a little while for them to post it. I bet it will be on soon. I look forward to reading your comment!!

 

[Vocalek]

As the blog owner, I get to approve or ignore comments left on my blog.

This is a comment, left anonymously, that is up for moderation. What do you think fellow ECF members?

this org like others are nothin but flaming assho-es,care nothing but there own gain,this just proves it

 

[Katmar]

As the blog owner, I get to approve or ignore comments left on my blog.

This is a comment, left anonymously, that is up for moderation. What do you think fellow ECF members?

Wonder which side he means? Not sure I would post it, since it seems obtuse.

 

[curiousJan]

As the blog owner, I get to approve or ignore comments left on my blog.

This is a comment, left anonymously, that is up for moderation. What do you think fellow ECF members?

Even though the author sort-of did it themselves and although that's the least of the profanities that could fly out of my mouth at any given time , I might further edit the 'profanity' just for sake of not offending someone who might otherwise be supportive.

But other than that, I'd post it.

Jan

 

[Vocalek]

I can't edit the comments that are left. I can only approve or ignore. If the author of this comment is reading this thread, could you submit a new comment, cleaning it up a little?

When I taught English, I used this tip to help people differentiate between "there" and "their".

"There" contains the word "here" and it indicates position. Example: The book is over there.
"Their" contains the word "heir" (someone who inherits) and it indicates ownership. Example: They are only concerned with their own gain.

 

[Our House]

Leave the comment since it's so easily combatable with:

"Our 'own gain' is our health, so our motives should be understandable."

 

[kristin]

Volcalek - not a complete hijack, as it's related to Public Citizen. Hope you don't mind!

IMPORTANT!! http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...-sign-petition-raise-awareness-ecig-bans.html


.

 

[Vocalek]

I always accept a BUMP, Kristin.

We're up to 41 Diggs, and 15 times Shared.

 

[lotus14]

No problem! I used to write Job Aids for a living.

Ah, so that's where you developed your superlative writing skills!

Great post. Dugg and commented.

David

 

[D103]

I noticed that "Public Citizen" was one of the parties on the Amicus Brief filed on behalf of FDA. I went to their site to check them out and found out that they see themselves as the "voice of the people". Oh really?

I sent off an email message. Decided to publish it to my blog. Also created a Digg.

The Truth About Nicotine: Email Message to Public Citizen

The message debunks a lot of the misinformation that may have snookered Public Citizen into supporting FDA's position.

WOW!! Can you ever write! Excellent letter and summary of the entire issue up to date. Great job Elaine. I feel very strongly you should consider sending this letter (amended where appropriate) to as many reputable mass media outlets as possible, not only encouraging them to share the letter 'On Air', 'in print', and 'online' but also encourgaring them to invite serious professionals i.e. Dr. Michael Siegel, Dr. Brad Radu, Dr Joel Nitzkin, and Dr. Carl Phillips on their show. These Professionals can talk about this product, the 'true facts' as we know them up to date, the life-saving potential of this technology as well as additional medical implications -cost savings to the overall Health System and the currently pursued, and encouraging possibiites of this technology being effective for persons with Parkinson's Disease and Alzheimer's Syndrome. We could also start shining some SERIOUS light on the 'smear' campaign going on which is filled with misinformation, fear-mongering, public-opinion manipulation, conflict of interest and the overall interest of Public Health being "claimed" but in actuality, disregarded due to special interests and ultimately money. Public Health, not just smoker's health (and this is very important to begin getting across - we've not done a good job yet making this case)is being 'sold out' to special interests and ultimately every American citizen pays, not only through exhorbitant health-care, pharmaceutical and insurance costs, but with their own personal health - "Everyone - not just smokers.

 

[rothenbj]

As the blog owner, I get to approve or ignore comments left on my blog.

This is a comment, left anonymously, that is up for moderation. What do you think fellow ECF members?

Elaine, now I may think that the post is appropriate and accurate, I swear it wasn't me. Unless, of course,I did it in my sleep.

Anyhow dugg and commented

 

[nojoyet]

As the blog owner, I get to approve or ignore comments left on my blog.

This is a comment, left anonymously, that is up for moderation. What do you think fellow ECF members?

The one word is no more offensive than many I've seen posted elsewhere. It is ambiguous. I like to read it as referring to the org(anization) you refer to in para 2. Better to post it.

Your letter is A+. Dugg

 

[Vocalek]

Up to 48 Diggs, and 18 people have Shared the article in some way.

 

[BigJimW]

Left my two cents as well. Good job!

 

[Thulium]

Elaine, your letter actually underestimates the safety of e-cigarettes:

To put this quantity in perspective, consider the fact that a pack of Marlboros contains 11,190 ng/g of TSNAs. [7]

Although this is true, it could cause some confusion because the measurement of TSNA is in parts per billion, but there is more than one gram of tobacco in a pack of Marlboro--its actually closer to 20g. 20 x 11,190 = 223,800 nanograms of TSNA per pack.

E-cigarettes and other products containing pharmaceutical grade nicotine like NRT's seem to have about 1ng of TSNA for every 2 milligrams of nicotine (ie. Njoy's 16mg/g cartridges have about 8ng TSNA). That means you'd need to vape nearly 28 liters of Njoy (27,975 1ml cartridges) e-liquid to have to have the same amount of TSNA as in one pack of cigarettes.

 

[Vocalek]

Elaine, your letter actually underestimates the safety of e-cigarettes:



Although this is true, it could cause some confusion because the measurement of TSNA is in parts per billion, but there is more than one gram of tobacco in a pack of Marlboro--its actually closer to 20g. 20 x 11,190 = 223,800 nanograms of TSNA per pack.

E-cigarettes and other products containing pharmaceutical grade nicotine like NRT's seem to have about 1ng of TSNA for every 2 milligrams of nicotine (ie. Njoy's 16mg/g cartridges have about 8ng TSNA). That means you'd need to vape nearly 28 liters of Njoy (27,975 1ml cartridges) e-liquid to have to have the same amount of TSNA as in one pack of cigarettes.

WOW! Thanks for that info. I was never clear on whether that was for one Marlboro or a whole pack.

 

[Thulium]

WOW! Thanks for that info. I was never clear on whether that was for one Marlboro or a whole pack.

A nanogram is one billionth of a gram. One cigarette is approximately 1 gram of tobacco, and a one milliliter cartridge of e-liquid is also about 1 gram. E-liquid potency is usually referred to in terms of milligrams (one thousandth of a gram) per milliliter. That's why I think it is better to refer to e-liquid strength in terms of a percentage. 16mg/ml = 1.6%

Approximately 2 drops (.1ml) of eliquid lasts me about as long as an analog would. Assuming all of the .1ml of e-liquid is converted into vapor (and anyone who's used an e-cig knows that not all the eliquid is used--lol), that means I'm getting less than 1.6mg of nicotine and about .8ng TSNA. Compared to the 11,190 nanograms of TSNA in a one gram Marlboro cigarette that is 1:13,987.5 ratio....and, as you point out in your masterful letter, that doesn't even count all of the most deadly components of cigarette smoke that aren't in e-cig vapor at all.

Taking it even further, when you consider that the aforementioned tenth of a milliliter (2 drops) creates roughly 10 liters of vapor, that means the vapor we inhale is probably no more than .001% e-liquid--the other 99.999% is air. With that in mind, it is no wonder that the FDA did not detect any DEG or TSNA in the vapor itself.

 

[Vocalek]

Now up to 51 Diggs and 21 people have shared it.

 

[Vocalek]

Jumped all the way up to 52 Diggs and 22 Shared.

Keep those cards and letters coming, folks.