That's kind of what I was thinking. I am having a pretty great time with my new Killer in a Prive "Special" tank, but I'm trying to find an alternative to XL cartos in a UDCT tank for my pipe. I am still having flooding issues despite switching from xl smoktechs to xl boges. Besides that, I wish to no longer disrespect Long Bottom Leaf by running it through a carto, but I have not yet found an asthetically amicable alternative... I have a custom tank from Phiniac coming in that I intend to use, so I may get a second Killer for that, but the way the Killer shaft stick out the top of the tank is not agreeable with my churchwarden stem.... The search continues