Esmoking myths

[Kate]

pew...pew...pew...

... you're dead Leaford, if'n ya still had your guns ya could've stopped me

 

[ApOsTle51]

hehehhehehe...funny kate...

 

[leaford]

Rampant liberalism claims another promising young life.

 

[Kate]

Mwahahahaha .....

I'm no liberal, I'm a capricorn

 

[ladybug51]

Never mind, I misunderstood the comment. Sorry

 

[tribalmasters]

901 battery good for 300 charge/discharge cycles hehehe the latest ones I got only last me a week or 2

 

[Kate]

Here's one that's been doing the rounds lately - dripping kills atomisers.

True or not?

EDIT
This is my 3000th post and I'd like to dedicate it to Jake who wrote me a rhyme and made me laugh.

 

[New Year quitter]

It might be safer than tobacco smoking, we don't know, there are no scientific studies or clinical trials to test the effects of esmoking.

We can take in massive doses of nicotine which is a toxin
We don't know what prolonged inhaling of propylene glycol does
ditto glycerine
ditto all the other additives and flavourings in eliquid
We don't know how the cocktail of chemicals we inhale interacts

We don't know the implications of breathing the chemicals given off by the burning coil wick as it degrades
We don't know what type of plastics are used for storage or cartridges and if they leach chemicals into the eliquid
We don't know what chemicals are given off by cartridge fillers when they are heated or burned

So, basically we don't know if esmoking is safe. Lots of us think it is probably safer than smoking tobacco but that's opinion, not science.

When you see the advertising saying esmoking is safe or safer, it's unfounded claims, there is no proof. Ask the seller what is the basis of the statement ... they usually try to fob you off with Ruyan specific research which only applies to Ruyan eliquid.

Personal experience will always trump science. Since I stopped smoking analogues my breathing has improved, my resting heart rate has slowed and my sense of taste and smell have doubled, all this after only four days - these are all classic symptoms you get when you go cold turkey, so according to my body it thinks I'm no longer a smoker and as my lungs clear up more and more my fitness levels will shoot up.
I'd call that pretty conclusive evidence.

It's blatantly obvious that e-cigs are safer than tobacco cigarettes. I for one am not waiting for science to tell me what my body is already telling me.

 

[Kate]

I hope you're right and we don't start developing lung disease or something. Nobody has inhaled the chemicals we do in the quantities we do for longer than a couple of years. Time will tell as it did with originally thought safe smoking.

Personal experience is the only test we have, there is no scientific research.

 

[New Year quitter]

I hope you're right and we don't start developing lung disease or something. Nobody has inhaled the chemicals we do in the quantities we do for longer than a couple of years. Time will tell as it did with originally thought safe smoking.

Personal experience is the only test we have, there is no scientific research.

Personal experience is a question of observing cause and effect. If someone starts smoking their lungs clog up and their fitness levels drastically decrease - this does not happen some of the time, this always happens - we can deduce from this that smoking is unhealthy, we don't need a guy in a lab to confirm this for us. King James I of England knew this just by observing early smokers.
If a smoker switches from tobacco to e-cig and their lungs clear and their fitness levels increase then it's fairly obvious what the laws of cause and effect are saying.

Now I take your point about the unknown long-term effects of PG, but generally speaking, things that are harmful to our health nearly always show early (first year) signs of being harmful and these harmful effects increase over time, this is true of nearly all chemical agents.
It is possible but extremely rare for a chemical agent to show no early signs of doing us harm (in fact as I stated above, the early signs are that the use of PG is beneficial to health) and then to prove lethal once you step over a certain time constraint.
And given that we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers and damage the health of all, I'm sure most of us are happy with a tiny risk, and that's all it really is.
I'd put money on alcohol being a more harmful chemical than PG, I'm teetotal myself.

 

[Kate]

Again, I hope you're right.

What are the early symptoms of developing cancer?

 

[TropicalBob]

we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers

I hate flat statements that are just plain incorrect. In the wildest of exaggerations, anti-smoking forces estimate 50% -- half -- of smokers die of smoking-related diseases. Half live their long, full lives. Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. So I use my Janty in lieu of my Kent.

Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

And that's probably the last good word you'll read from me on smoking cigarettes ...

 

[Kate]

For anyone who doesn't believe there are any health concerns with vaping here are some discussions. There are questions like this popping up all the time on the forum, these are just a few:

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nic-cigarette-cartridges-e-liquid-safety.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/1063-backache.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...oking/2666-inhaling-flavouring-chemicals.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...nicotine-deeper-into-our-lungs-e-smoking.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ble-glycerine-glycerol-safety-discussion.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...g/5007-johnson-creek-juice-turning-green.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...3305-list-common-symptoms-when-e-smoking.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/4973-heavy-breathing.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/3598-nicotine-safety.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ethylene-glycol-instead-pg-kills-25-kids.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...ng/3087-what-might-our-vapour-have-guess.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/2519-bpa-concern-e-smoking.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/fo...anufacturers-suppliers-whats-my-atomizer.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/959-propylene-glycol-inhaling.html

http://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/health-safety-e-smoking/4230-safest-commercial-e-liquid.html

 

[coppull]

Well put, i totally agree, new year quitter

 

[Kate]

This is reminding me of a song by The Fabulous Dirt Sisters:

Take off your rose tinted spectacles sweet Ann Marie
Take off your rose tinted spectacles and face reality

Life's no bowl of cherries before your desert
Life's no bowl of cherries you're gonna get hurt

La la la la la ...

 

[K-Sound Krew]

Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

Actually TB I saw a study a few yrs back which was burried that suggested that second hand tobacco smoke can actually help non smokers build up a tolerence against carcinogenic triggers.
Your right it has more to do with genetics.
Many of the centurians you see on TV are still smoking and drinking the hard stuff well into their late 90's

As far as e-liquid, we won't really know the effects till we have users who have been doing this for 10-30 yrs using formulas regulated by the FDA

 

[bwood12043]

TropicalBob, I agree that blanket statements should not be made, re: "we know for certain that real cigarettes kill most smokers"

I own a medical transcription company and three of our largest clients are oncology centers. I view tons and tons of initial consults on cancer patients, and in the "social history" part, only a little over half have ANY past history of smoking.

Nearly all of my and my husband's family have/do smoke. Out of over 20 off the top of my head, 2 have died from cancer.

Both myself, my sis and my brother smoke, as did my father, however the only the non-smoker in our family, my mother, has had cancer, melanoma from too much sun.

Do I believe smoking is bad for a person's health? Definately.
Do I believe that real cigarettes kill most smokers? Definately not.

 

[TropicalBob]

Excellent.

P.S. My daughter does medical transcription from her home. Excellent work.

 

[New Year quitter]

I hate flat statements that are just plain incorrect. In the wildest of exaggerations, anti-smoking forces estimate 50% -- half -- of smokers die of smoking-related diseases. Half live their long, full lives. Many of the world's oldest people were life-time smokers, in fact. It's a genetic crap shoot I don't want to play any longer. So I use my Janty in lieu of my Kent.

Don't throw out incorrect statements as fact. I certainly know all the dangers of inhaling tobacco smoke, but certain death is NOT one of them for "most" smokers.

And that's probably the last good word you'll read from me on smoking cigarettes ...

I have yet to read your first good word on smoking tobacco.

 

[TropicalBob]

That post was it. Death is not guaranteed. It's one reason I object to warnings like "Smoking Causes Cancer." No it doesn't -- all the time. That's too broad a claim. The warning should read "Smoking Might Cause Some Cancers in Some Smokers", but you'll never get that accepted.

Worrying About Stuff Causes Cancer. And other bad stuff, too.