Esophageal Cancer and Vaping-killing yourself to be healthier?

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OK. i'm now overwhelmed. Too much response. I will be tagging these links over the next few days. I'm an intelligent person (who almost misspelled intelligent, how ironic is that? I caught it before spell check thank you very much!) I just don't want to jump to conclusions or be persuaded. Thank you for your input. I didn't come in here for an argument, I was looking for verbal abuse, is that the room to the left down the hall?

Okay :)
Here's a 'simplified' version of an answer for you: Smoking kills, right? Even the manufacturers admit that... they write it on the freakin' label for you to read it.. in big bold letters. It's not something you need to research, you and everyone else is very well aware of that.. So what's there to think about?
We are not the FDA.. we are not the government.. we aren't selling e-cigarettes. Every single person here who commented on your post and doesn't have a 'vendor' status is doing it out of the kindness of their hearts for one reason only - to SAVE YOUR LIFE.. We have nothing to gain, but the fact is that vaping is such a good alternative, that people actually feel the need to recommend it, because it works.. and every person here got healthier from using them, than they were while smoking. I used to do sports.. I remember what it feels like to be totally healthy.. after that I smoked 2 packs a day for 9 years and could barely walk up the stairs without grasping for air.. guess what? only after a few months of vaping I could do sports again and felt like I was 10 years younger.. and that just keeps getting better and better ever since..

If you weren't a smoker and would just be considering picking up vaping out of the blue, then yea, we might have something to talk about regarding the long term effects.. etc... But the way it stands you are a smoker and there is absolutely no question in our minds which of the two is healthier. All you need to know is that standing at a bus stop in a big city and breathing the 'air' there is way more toxic than vaping. If you want to be nit-picky and find excuses for not quitting smoking, then sure.. you can do that.. at least until smoking kills you..
Don't spend way too much time researching and planning.. you can do that after you've quit smoking.. but currently every single day you're waiting and wasting time trying to find arguments on the internet might be the difference between a happy long life or an early death.. and that's the simple truth..

So if you cannot decide for yourself.. then let me help you.. If you have some cheap cig-alike or inefficient knock-off vape-pen.. Just go buy a proper e-cigarette that works for you. Lately new stuff has been coming out aimed at beginners, so it's a nice time to do that.. Maybe look into the istick basic or the endura t18 or something you like.. tons and tons of options.. It's a small investment compared to the price of cigarettes each month.. and it's definitely a small investment if it will make you live longer and healthier :) Do it for yourself.. do it for your friend, either way just quit smoking! After that.. come back here and tell us all about it.. we'll listen :)

Cheers and good luck!
 

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A very dear friend was diagnosed with esophageal cancer in the summer (2015) and has passed already (December). He had tried to quit smoking and had quit but was vaping pretty much continuously. My own e-cig experience has been that it burns the heck out of my throat and gives me a smoker's cough that I never had before. I don't think that cancer ran in my friend's family and I don't have a history of it in mine. My mother has smoked for 60 years and yes she does have mild COPD, but no cancer...as have many others in my family. I worry that in trying to quit the stinkies, are we actually hurting ourselves worse than smelling bad and having stained teeth? Smoking kills, we all know that, but we also know how and why. Since E-Cigs are not FDA approved, are mostly made in China and the delivery medium is usually propylene glycol (component of anti-freeze)...are there any INDEPENDENT studies being done to find if there is a link to esophageal cancer specifically? People get lung cancer that have never smoked in their lives, so one should not always assume that the victim is at fault. Ten years of smoking may not cause cancer, or 60 years for that matter, but the questions become, "What effect does propylene glycol have on the human body when inhaled in vapor form? Does it combine with the nicotine to create a more harmful substance than it would otherwise be? Is it the smoke and tar that causes the cancer, or the nicotine itself? Does anyone know?" I would truly like any links that you may have to any research on this subject that is not sponsored by special interests and corporate dogs. My friend's body has been donated to the CSI school at UT Memphis and I don't know if they are going to look at the cancer issue or not...that is my next email...I'll let you all know what I find out. As for me, I'm laying off the e-cig until I can find out more about what it is that I'm actually inhaling. Besides, it's good to be outside, even in a freezing rain, smelling bad with ugly teeth, than giving myself cancer trying to be healthy.

Just stopped into the thread and read your op. Sorry for your loss dear. I'm afraid it may have been a matter of too little too late. The cancers were already forming well before a short stent with vaping. If It was possibly anything related to stopping cigarettes and vaping; I think an explanation could be that stopping cigarettes improved the blood flow to the mouth and esophagus. Thus giving more power for the cancer to grow faster.. (smoking constricts blood vessels.) Its a double edge sword that exists with many health conditions when they are too far along before action can be taken.

Cigarettes cause cancer primarily due to the smoke, burning of plant materials releases carcinogenic smoke. Many died from cancers back in the day running wood burners in their cabins without adequate exhaust. The smoke caused cancers. Also there are 3000 chemicals in cigarettes, and many are known to cause cancer readily. One nasty one is formaldehyde. Just the action of burning tobacco you are inhaling carbon monoxide which also kills in quantity.

So vaping eliminates all these concerns and more.

I vape with Chinese manufactured juice and its high quality. Almost everything was made in china or with components made in china.
 
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And some posters here may have inadvertently been abrasive and rude to a potential new member who we can help, and jumped the gun on her...she someone who can in turn, help others.

This is how new members, who innocently come on here to ask questions (as she said, this SEEMED like a good place to ask) get chased off, because they are treated like ANTZ......when they're not.

Then we have true "vaping ambassadors", like Susan S. who truly want to help people learn about vaping and doesn't judge people or push the political agenda on them and provides INFORMATION which is what most people are looking for.

I say don't treat poeple like trolls and antz until it becomes clear beyond the point of any doubt that they are.


Perfect :wub:
 

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First, Sorry for your loss.

Second, no I do not believe we are taking on sugnifigant harm in switching to vaping. Why? My Body tells me otherwise. My Doctor visits tell me otherwise.
I am 62 and in better physical condition than when I was 50. At 58 I was in worse condition than many 65 year old men.

From your intro post, I believe you have not had proper assistance in picking a proper e-liquid blend and/or gotten the correct equipment for the vape you are attempting.

Beginner blindness is not new as we are very young in existence and dependent on each others experiences to teach us.

E-liquids are like foods - so many different ones.
Some you love, some you dislike and some that turn you green :shock:

Equipment is no different.
Bottom end is like an old atari game - doesn't do much or very well
Top of the line is like a Shiny new Ferrari .
Lots of good and bad in between.

Hope you find Your answers.
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Falling off a 300-ft building, you decide to tie a pillow to your behind for the last ten feet before impact.
Do you blame the pillow maker then cuz it didn't work ?

As sad as it is, there are no guarantees either way.
Heard this former chancellor of Germany, Helmut Schmitt passed recently at 90+ years. Heavy smoker all his life.
Pal o' mine didnt get to celebrate his 36th birthday. Lung cancer. Never had smoke, lived upcountry in fairly clean environment.
Extremes from both ends of the curve.

Why bothering buckling up when taking a ride then ?
Walk instead ?

Broken collarbones, lacerations and bruises, broken ribs, concussions, tec. have been attributed to seat belts.
They are downright dangerous. Plenty of cases that can be cited to drive that point home.
I just 'forgot' to mention that without them, a good number of faces would be smeared all over the dashboard and windshield...
 

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It's mainly a propaganda war at this point and you may come to understand it, and the reactions to your post.

Even propaganda can kill.

That aside, welcome to our forum StormriderTN.

Like others are asking, what equipment are you using? What settings are you using? Using fresh coils, gunky ones?

There are a few different variables involved with vaping. One sometimes overlooked is subjective personal likes, or dislikes. As an example, I look at all this new hardware coming out and wonder why. There are mods which push 100 watts or more. To me that would make the vapor too hot. I like a cool vape. I barely ever go over 10 watts at most. Others clamor over 20 to 50 watts.

Like others here have pointed out too, your body does need time to purge the crap of cigarettes out.

I had a rough spell of about two weeks vaping. I coughed up all sorts of gunk. I vomited and come under what I thought was the flu. Well, it was the flu but not in the sense of being sick with the flu, it's called the vaper's flu. You can find info on it in the ECF Library. The good news? You get over it and feel a lot better. :)

As others say too, we are in deed and in fact at war.

The problem being is the enemies will never see, hear, know we're coming. We move in peace, we act in peace, we revolt in peace. We have already won. We made them blink. They admit vaping is taking money away from them. So far, it seems that is the only reason they desire quashing vaping. Understand though, taking money away is a very potent reason. You see, money grants them access to an illusion called control. They keep thinking they have control. Here we stand all happy faced and with arms wide open, proof they do not.

Again, welcome. :)

Minor adding here. Apologies if it seems I'm pushing an ideology, religion, political notion, that nasty word Agenda. *chuckles* I am not intending to do so. My concern is that we all be as safe as we can be and maybe we can all unite again as one whole family. Beyond that I'm all for Silly Putty, Sporks, Hawk Sauce ejuice, flip flops, peace, love and joy. :)
 
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    Originally when a few people had some issues with vaping it was blamed on PG, but further experimentation has shown VG or flavorings to just as often be the problem.

    I have some throat issues, but they originally flared up in late 2009 when fire safety cigarettes (FSCs) were introduced here.
     

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    I have some throat issues, but they originally flared up in late 2009 when fire safety cigarettes (FSCs) were introduced here.

    As a smoker of thirty plus years, I found the FSCs to be a real PITA. You would be smoking along, set a .... down to mangle some work that required full on attention but only for a few seconds, pick up a dead .... and drag dead air. That iced my cake more times than enough.
     

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    :facepalm:

    New member section
    Please attempt some semblance of politeness.

    ECF Ambassador of Hope? o_O

    :rules:
    Attack the post, not the poster
    I'm going to assume that was pointed at me...

    Seriously people, why allow this thread to go on, it contains zero facts that can be looked up, misinformation/propaganda, and stuff that had been proven as fact, the OP simply doesn't believe.

    People come to forum like there for information and threads like this one isn't helping anyone
     
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    While you may be right... We need to try to be polite, some are actually real people wanting help and these are legitimate concerns for a newbie. They don't know any better... We're here to help them understand. Kill the trolls with kindness.

    I don't believe the op is a troll at all. I believe she is sincere. Not everyone knows what we know about vaping.. It takes a lot of study for newbies.

    While it may be negative, people see this stuff elsewhere in the propaganda.. This gives us a chance to dispute the claims in a respectable way that is above the lies.
     

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    I'm going to assume that was pointed at me...

    Seriously people, why allow this thread to go on, it contains zero facts that can be looked up, misinformation/propaganda, and stuff that had been proven as fact, the OP simply doesn't believe.

    People come to forum like there for information and threads like this one isn't helping anyone

    Yea, not meaning to be snide or anything. Looks like you just didn't read the follow postings. Polite apology if offending and thanks for links to info, etc.

    For each of us on ECF there are 10's of thousands out there like Her with little to no knowledge of what is actually going on.
    I know this because just over 3 years ago, I Was One.

    I will defend our rights to the bitter end, but I will also give every new member a chance before judgment. :)

    Without education there is no understanding.
     
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    Back some twenty odd years ago, I first ventured onto the Internet and Web. Yes it existed. It was kind of sparse and full of technical glitches. Users donated time in solving problems and for the most part it could serve the purpose.

    Even then we had murmurs about things like ethics, morals, manners. Something that surfaced was a guideline where you can find this. You can read more from that guideline. You may even the geeky technical version. Which ever one you want to read, I think Kong Fuzi sums it all up in The Golden Rule.

    The purpose? Open and dignified communication among human beings. Of course, I know DARPA had other motives in inventing it. Once it escaped embedded in a Unix kernel from a university though, well, ...

    Ultimately, all of us here & now were as ignorant. Ignorance is fixable, solves. Stupidity like belittling someone for ignorance, does not solve, gets pushed aside and ignored. The current moves on. Little, gentle streams topple mountains and carry them to the seas.
     
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    Back some twenty odd years ago, I first ventured onto the Internet and Web. Yes it existed. It was kind of sparse and full of technical glitches. Users donated time in solving problems and for the most part it could serve the purpose.

    Even then we had murmurs about things like ethics, morals, manners. Something that surfaced was a guideline where you can find this. You can read more from that guideline. You may even the geeky technical version. Which ever one you want to read, I think Kong Fuzi sums it all up in The Golden Rule.

    The purpose? Open and dignified communication among human beings. Of course, I know DARPA had other motives in inventing it. Once it escaped embedded in a Unix kernel from a university though, well, ...

    Ultimately, all of us here & now were as ignorant. Ignorance is fixable, solves. Stupidity like belittling someone for ignorance, does not solve, gets pushed aside and ignored. The current moves on. Little, gentle streams topple mountains and carry them to the seas.

    +1
    Two really good posts you've made here in this thread... The one yesterday too.

    Nice to meet you Morley.

    1994 was when I really got online, and started learning truth not propaganda! It was so archaic back then.. 56k lol
     
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    Nice to meet you Morley.

    1994 was when I really got online, and started learning truth not propaganda! It was so archaic back then.. 56k lol

    Nice meeting you as well, JeremyR.

    If I recall correctly, we used the Mosaic web browser. It was from its code base that Netscape Navigator got started.
    I was still using Microsoft Windows then, 3.11 for Work Groups, I think. Then, on to Windows 98,98.

    Been using some variant of Debian Gnu\Linux now for over a decade. I use a few different web browsers, although
    the mainstay is Firefox. Pale Moon browser is doing well too.

    Careful in your learning. At times you may find yourself turned around in your thinking. Often, doing that myself. *chuckles*

    An example being that until recently, I did not, still do not fully consider myself religious. What changed recently lays in research in regards to Gnostics. Not admitting to adopting any religion here, yet gained a fair more bit of insight into religion.

    Odd how we think, "oh, I'm adamant about such and such", then we get turned around. I digress though. We're not in our local temple of choice here. :)

    Think everyone out to be more tolerant in general, save for tolerating the intolerant. Also not a great fan of fanatics. ;) My rally cry is, "death to all fanatics!"

    Have the same approach to vaping.

    "I vape, so?"

    Yes, it's good if we can help save lives. Yes, we do so using information. No, we don't offer the ultimatum of convert or die. No, we don't forget that a lot of hungry crooks benefit by spreading disinformation about vaping, anything, everything.

    A bit stupid to become the monster you fight to beat the monster fought, I think. Ergo, please excuse me. I've dallied to long upon the crate that soap came in.
     

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    I'm going to assume that was pointed at me...

    Seriously people, why allow this thread to go on, it contains zero facts that can be looked up, misinformation/propaganda, and stuff that had been proven as fact, the OP simply doesn't believe.

    People come to forum like there for information and threads like this one isn't helping anyone
    Move along now.
     

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    In actuality, these threads DO help people. How else to see how the misinformation skews the general public? Where else can they get a more truthful side to the story?

    The OP was in a legitimate quandary about what they had heard. Thank God they came here to ask instead of completely believing the bs. This thread gave them many links to look up. Hard data that can dispell some of those myths.

    Yes, we see many of these types of threads. I, for one, am happy to keep changing people's minds. Each one mind changed leads to many more.
     
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    The antifreeze that killed kids and dogs was polyethylene glycol. Some antifreeze producers may have switched to propylene glycol.

    Have not bought antifreeze since moving to the desert south west in 2010.

    Wrong. Polyethylene glycol is not toxic; it is sold as PEG400 for a lot of uses, particularly laxative (Dulcolax), and can be used for vaping in place of PG.

    The toxic anti-free was ethylene glycol.

    Andria
     
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    And by the way, there are quite a number of things I don't eat. And it often seriously impacts the way I participate at social events, but I am used to it now.

    I do have people say to me, when I tell them what I don't eat, say "I could never live w/out my ____. , ____., and _____.

    But I prefer taking the *disciplined eating route* to the pain I would experience w/the reflux, not to mention the knowledge of what it was doing to my throat and esophagus and digestive system.

    I don't know how other peoples maifests, but once the "offending" substance was injested, for ME, it would be a full 3 days before I could get back to normal. That's 72 hours of suffering.

    Ditto for me, if I eat eggs or fatty beef -- just can't digest cholesterol -- 3 days of horrible will ensue. Tiny amounts, like the eggs in baked goods, or a small portion of very lean beef, are ok, but anymore than that... my life just isn't worth living for 3 full days.

    Andria
     
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