Why not, you do know it also boils at a much higher temp than water... it is called coolant for a reason
Esophageal Cancer and Vaping-killing yourself to be healthier?
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Why not, you do know it also boils at a much higher temp than water... it is called coolant for a reason
C, mon man lol, we all already know you believe nothing is potentially harmful and everybody who has concern's and want's to eliminate even more risk factors from vaping like diketone's is obviously wrong because you insist there's no data .
Of course there's no worthwhile data at this time , most people have only been vaping a couple years , why people still insist on data thats not available yet is beyond me.
It's ALWAYS a wiser decision to err on the side of caution than act like it's an absolute certainty that there's nothing to worry about .
Your post above is questioning whether all the info and science regarding tobacco smoking can actually be believed , it has become comical now , i mean pleaseeee.
Until I got to the last sentence (despite all the extraneous apostrophes), I was mostly nodding along in agreement. I always try to err on the side of caution.
But that last sentence shows that you have entirely bought the whole parcel of lies that have been foisted on the public for decades. There is no question, smoking *is* harmful to the health, for those who do it, and for some of those who are exposed to it secondhand, but the actual degree and magnitude of that harm has been so gravely overstated, it is only BECAUSE there has been this widespread brainwash campaign that even smokers have bought into it. The gov't, in the person and office of the Surgeon General, has been lying thru its teeth about it, along with the entire alphabet soup of orgs devoted to its eradication, for pure political and social-engineering reasons. We may never know the real truth of it, thanks to that brainwash campaign, but many of us know that this is true, despite the attempted-shaming and attempted-ridicule by those who buy it, as illustrated in that last sentence.
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Why did I think it would be you that asked that question I no longer have that van. Had s. Oil leak and burned.
Sorry Adrea i could not disagree more on this . I have had many friends and family members die horrible deaths when they could not breathe and i have seen many who developed lung cancer when their lungs were covered in tar and other gunk .
I have zero misconceptions about the dangers of real cigarettes so we have very different beliefs on this one.
Don't understand that comment actually , i get it , some people apparently are not convinced cigarettes are that harmful , i am not one of those people .
I never said i believe all the hogwash and and propaganda about them but i do know they are harmful .
I never said i believe all the hogwash and and propaganda about them but i do know they are harmful .
Something of mechanics, or word technique which helps me is to use two different terms.
Misinformation is when someone does not know. This can be an error of facts out of ignorance, more often than not it is the case. Some variables may not be measurable, or accessible to know. No one is intentionally giving the wrong, or misleading information in this case.
Disinformation is when someone knows yet conveys a blatant fallacy or falsehood. It is intentional deception, fraud.
What I observe is a lot of disinformation strewn together with misinformation. This makes it difficult in discerning say provocateurs aside from those with genuine interest and a bit of ignorance. As has been pointed out, a war of propaganda is ongoing.
We are on the web. Spiders so love webs for all the flies they can ensnare. Hopefully, this can help everyone catch a glimmer of light and offer a bit of food of thought.
As for me, well, I'm now against big tobacco, business, government. That is not saying I'm some *ahem* dangerous kind of person, exactly. No, it's saying I no longer buy all the bigs sell and am at a point that I hold a card with big bold block letters reading, "I no longer consent, am no longer interested. Thanks, have a good one."
I see my vaping as a bit of a cumulative addendum to such imagined card. It is a way for me to peacefully refuse, resist, revolt, evolve around, through, over, under all the bigs. I no longer kick dead horses and expect them to rise up back to life.
I'll think differently, act differently, get different results.
Sorry to hear about your friend.
Quitting smoking was easy -- I did it a thousand times. I tried cold turkey, nic gum, nic patches, lollipops, you name it -- nothing worked for more than few days. After 42 years of smoking, my brother (who was already a vaper) talked me into trying it. Well its working (so far). I already feel better. This is the absolute longest I've gone without a cigarette EVER. Yes I've heard the warnings and cautions about this too, like I heard the warnings about bacon, coffee, soft drinks, and staying in the sun too long. This has GOT to be BETTER than smoking, and as a stepping stone to quitting altogether, its all many of us have got.
Quitting smoking was easy -- I did it a thousand times. I tried cold turkey, nic gum, nic patches, lollipops, you name it -- nothing worked for more than few days. After 42 years of smoking, my brother (who was already a vaper) talked me into trying it. Well its working (so far). I already feel better. This is the absolute longest I've gone without a cigarette EVER. Yes I've heard the warnings and cautions about this too, like I heard the warnings about bacon, coffee, soft drinks, and staying in the sun too long. This has GOT to be BETTER than smoking, and as a stepping stone to quitting altogether, its all many of us have got.
I was at the Post Office today sending an item that I sold in the Classified section here.
Two ladies (one seemed like a new hire) asked me if it had a battery in it and what type. I told the truth and sad it had a lithium battery. Then they asked me what the item was. I said an e-cigarette with a built in battery.
Their faces turned from smiley and cheerful to a grimace. It was like I had said it was Anthrax or a bomb. I'm sure they've heard all the negative propaganda about e-cigs and have swallowed it hook line and sinker.
The more experienced lady at the PO said that it would be OK to send it since the battery is built in.
I live in a very rural area, very conservative, small city/big town. The majority of the people here are about 20 years behind the curve.
Two ladies (one seemed like a new hire) asked me if it had a battery in it and what type. I told the truth and sad it had a lithium battery. Then they asked me what the item was. I said an e-cigarette with a built in battery.
Their faces turned from smiley and cheerful to a grimace. It was like I had said it was Anthrax or a bomb. I'm sure they've heard all the negative propaganda about e-cigs and have swallowed it hook line and sinker.
The more experienced lady at the PO said that it would be OK to send it since the battery is built in.
I live in a very rural area, very conservative, small city/big town. The majority of the people here are about 20 years behind the curve.
This is nearly identical to MY story (except I didn't have a wheeze or cough, just Sleep Apnea), and it was my Great grandmother who died from old age at 103 (she told me she started at 7, rolling her own in butcher paper). I too stopped October (this year) and feel WAY better. Congrats to you!
I know they're harmful too, and have even seen how severely 2nd-hand smoke can harm others with certain physical/medical problems. There really is no disputing that cigarettes are harmful. But they don't kill every person who smokes, nor even 50% of those who smoke. At most, they may complicate some issues, and may create a favorable condition for others -- but cancer NEVER has one isolated cause; it is much too complex a condition to be that clear-cut. Pretty sure the same applies to COPD, and cardiovascular disease. The mere fact of smoking is not what kills people, though it might contribute to an earlier-than-desirable death in some.
The propaganda machine says basically that smoking KILLS 50% of those who ever do it. And that it can kill the unborn, whether the mother smokes, or merely inhales 2nd hand smoke, that it can cause premature birth and birth defects. Funny how I smoked throughout my entire pregnancy, and my son was born a week past his due date, suffering zero birth defects; in fact he had Apgar scores of 8 and 9 -- pretty much *perfect* health. The propaganda also lists some ridiculous mortality of half a million people a year die BECAUSE of smoking, and that is just plain BS -- a person may live to be 90, but if they smoke, chalk 'em up in the smoking-related column!
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Did you know that lung cancer is on the rise for never smokers and people that have not been around smokers?
Makes me wonder if those who do get lung cancer, whether or not they smoked or were around smokers, were just genetically predisposed to getting it?
Just something to ponder....
Makes me wonder if those who do get lung cancer, whether or not they smoked or were around smokers, were just genetically predisposed to getting it?
Just something to ponder....
I have Barrett's Esophagus which did not come from vaping, but from medication that I had to take from a broken back. My Dr. was very pleased that I had quit smoking and was on the ecigarette. 1 in a 100 with this disease will get cancer from the reflux. You do not get cancer from the ecigarette.. Sorry for your loss, but please research things before posting. Not to sound harsh but there are many people with this problem and no need to scare the ones that are misinformed.. I have researched and also talked to my Dr. Wishing you the very best and hope you understand this comment..
Look at the atmosphere and work environment they may have been exposed to. Although my father was a smoker - there were many people that worked with him that weren't. A good majority of them have developed some form of respiratory condition. Be it cancer, emphysema, etc. Possibly caused by high exposure to ash, coal dust, metal dusts, etc. Granted they are given respirators... but the respirator is only as good as its filter. If nothing else... then maybe being predisposed is the answer.
Many, if not most, of the factors that can contribute to cancer, are cumulative -- exposure to radiation, smoking, inhalation of foreign matter, and probably a lot of others. That's why it really can't be from just one cause -- there are too many different things that can give rise to DNA mutations that cause cell growth to run amok -- one of those causes is encoded right there in the DNA itself, that predisposition. But the more different factors there are, the more likely that such a mutation will occur, giving rise to cancer.
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