Didn't you just get done saying you didn't want the Socialists to get funding?yupso, for the time being, the electoral college will do its job.*** much better though, imo, would be an, at the least, 3-party system. coalitions would have to be formed to achieve majority and people would have to learn to compromise! and that might get some more votes out from all those people who are neither red nor blue and stay home out of frustration
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Tibs, I commented earlier that the whole purpose of the Electoral College was to prevent control by any small group or area and it does serve that purpose well. When I see the likes of Rham talking about getting rid of it I am very glad it would take an amendment to the Constitution to do so.
I think the bottom line of this election is that Trump out maneuvered Hillary at her own game, period, end of story. The protests we're seeing are a combination of Soros globalism money and just plain sore losers. I felt pretty down when Obama won the second time and worried about the future of the country as well, but I didn't go out and trash businesses, burn things and advocate violating the principles of our country. He won fair and square and so did Trump.
The problem I see with a three party system is that would lead to even further gridlock, which might not be such a bad thing after all. I still say the cure is term limits on both the House and Senate. Those positions were never meant to be a lifetime means of employment and, in my mind, that's part of what has lead to the ludicrous spending both in Government and in election campaigns.
I think the bottom line of this election is that Trump out maneuvered Hillary at her own game, period, end of story. The protests we're seeing are a combination of Soros globalism money and just plain sore losers. I felt pretty down when Obama won the second time and worried about the future of the country as well, but I didn't go out and trash businesses, burn things and advocate violating the principles of our country. He won fair and square and so did Trump.
The problem I see with a three party system is that would lead to even further gridlock, which might not be such a bad thing after all. I still say the cure is term limits on both the House and Senate. Those positions were never meant to be a lifetime means of employment and, in my mind, that's part of what has lead to the ludicrous spending both in Government and in election campaigns.
i don't think so?
i did mention though that not counting the unnecessary ballots MIGHT deprive the libertarians from receiving federal funding. they did get 3% of the national vote but need 5% for federal funding
i don't remember gridlock in europe but i could be wrong
if a party there does not achieve a majority on its own it forms a coalition with another party to get there. that sometimes makes for strange bedfellows but seems to work. people learn to work with each other.Yes you did, I got confused, my apologies for my error.i don't think so?
Yes you did, I got confused, my apologies for my error.
no big deal
this whole thing has been very confusing and, after heaven knows how many years in this country, it was this election that made me try to understand the process in more detail! 
Interesting, from over here it looked like the FBI won the election for Trump, but that may be making the mistake of putting too much faith in the polls.
That is a huge issue here in New York where NYC and a few surrounding counties control and dictate the laws all of us up in rural farm land have to live with. There's a push to change this and it's been growing strength, I think with the results of this election there's going to be even more of a push to get this changed, just look at the map, look at NY, look at the sea of red in upstate and yet NY went to Hillary. We'll be voting to change this next Nov, can't wait!
Divide NYS into New Amsterdam & New York
The State of New York really should be two separate states but two autonomous regions should be easier to achieve. NYS contains a tremendously diverse population and is unique in its dichotomy. The overwhelming majority of the state consists of small to medium sized communities set in a rural and suburban climate; generally conservative values blend with moderate liberal ideals to create a unique political platform. Meanwhile, the downstate counties that make up New York City are significantly more liberal leaning in their values and are world famous for the size and power of the most significant city in the world. It is equally unfair to both upstate and downstate residents to share a representative government; the vast differences in lifestyle and aspirations demonstrate that both downstate and upstate should have their own autonomous governments so as to more effectively serve their constituents.
Our Secession plan calls for establishing a more representative form of government than the strange form of democracy NYS currently has which allows downstate to rule upstate which destroys good paying jobs upstate , while upstate can occasionally block things downstate wishes to enact. We would form Two Autonomous Regions the New Amsterdam Region (upstate) and the New York Region (downstate) alongside a token state government to comply with the US Constitution. The token NYS government that remains would have about the same power as the Queen of England! Because we are forming regions not a new state or moving counties between states; Congress can be legally bypassed. Since the NYS Legislature has failed to act, this plan also has the option to bypass the NYS Legislature; because every twenty years the people of NYS get to vote on whether to hold a NY State Constitutional Convention. If we vote YES on the NYS Convention, Delegates are elected for the Convention the following November. The Convention can then submit an amendment to divide NY State into regions with token state government directly to the voters. The next time the Convention vote will be held is Nov 2017. Our autonomous regions method is more likely to succeed!
Why would NYC residents vote to give up all the benefits they receive from you? It would be like them voting to no longer accept Federal Tax Dollars.
What makes you think we'd want it any more than you?A lot of talk around here about giving NYC to NJ.
Yeah, we don't want them.
NJ has a similar problem to a lesser degree with Bergen county and the rest of NJ.
NJ has a similar problem to a lesser degree with Bergen county and the rest of NJ.
it is foolish to think that just 2 parties can fulfill all the needs of a diverse population
it is foolish to think that just 2 parties can fulfill all the needs of a diverse population
There are many, many with power that want just one. Be very difficult to bring in a third but I'd be open to it.
A lot of talk around here about giving NYC to NJ.
You can keep NYC. It's a nice place to visit, but...
I still think a third party would only serve to divide an already divided electorate. What would the third party be, socialist, progressive, communist, anarchist or possibly even narcissist? I think we can live without it if those end up being the choices, and seeing what has become of the Democratic party , that's what we'd get. Not very attractive, at least to me.
Don't forget we already have more than two parties to begin with. The Green Party and the Libertarian Party both fielded candidates that did nothing and got no real support. Given the "quality" of their candidates it's no wonder they got nowhere. But, if I remember my math correctly, that means there were four parties not three involved in this election cycle.
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No, I'm thinking of a separate right wing party. A lot of people in the Republican party were ready to leave it two years ago, I was. I believe that's what pushed Trump through the primary's and got him elected and saved the Republican party. This wasn't just a rejection of Hillary, it was first a huge fu to the rhino's in the party. I hear all these comments how the party has changed, it was taken back. We have Trump and both house's, if we don't see promises fulfilled in the next four years I wouldn't be surprised to see a lot of people leave and start a third party, if they do I'll jump on board. Remember Ross Perot and what happen then, there was a push to separate the party then and it could happen again.
Ross Perot. Single-handedly Fractured the Republican party and Caused a sitting President who won a war to lose an election & ushered in the Clinton Era just as the economic recovery initiated in the Regan administration was paying off. Remember it well. Probably not the best example of how to benefit America.
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